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Biden Does NOT need a BILL to close the border
He only needs a PEN. Thats all he needed to open it.
Thats all he needed to close it. Thats all Trump needed.
Maybe this is just Proof Trump is better than Biden.

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Istanistan
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« on: 02 10, 11, 08:53:22:PM » Reply

01/24/2011

Did the seceding states believe they could leave peacefully without provoking a war?

Secession meant war, as almost everyone in 1860 and 1861 knew, which was part of why so many white Southerners opposed secession.


The way war might have been avoided would have been for other states not to secede; in the Nullification Crisis of 1828-1832, secession had simply withered on the vine when no other state took South Carolina’s side.


But once it became apparent that the seceded states would not voluntarily revoke their ordinances of secession, and especially once the four late-seceding states (Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Arkansas) joined the Confederacy, few observers would have seen viable alternatives to war, which was why the Confederate government in Montgomery immediately put the Confederacy on a war footing.



Confederates in 1860 and 1861 were no strangers to world history and knew as well as anyone that governments do not typically consent agreeably to their own rupture, nor do populations cheerfully accede to the seizure by one part of the population of property held in common by the entire population.


The seizure by the states, then, of federal forts and ports (constructed and supported with national resources) was unlikely to be let pass without a fuss, especially in states that had started out as territories, and therefore the national installations there had been U.S. property even before there was a state of, say, Alabama or Mississippi.


Confederates also knew the particularities of the U.S. in the mid-nineteenth century. It might sound odd or even hollow to us to hear northern voices in 1860 insist that either the Union had to survive or the hopes of the whole world for self-government would be dashed because despots everywhere need only point to the smash-up of the United States to prove that self-government did not work, but those claims did not sound odd to Confederates; most leading secessionists had served in the national government in Washington and were well acquainted with the high stakes many Northerners and their political representatives believed rested with the survival of the Union.



Finally, we need not content ourselves with guessing what was on Confederates’ minds to determine if they expected war. A look at their actions will do.


In 1860, the United States Army consisted of about 16,000 troops, most of whom were in the West.


One of the Confederate Congress’s earliest actions was to answer the request for troops that Jefferson Davis included in his February 1861 Inaugural Address by authorizing the raising of 100,000 men, 60,000 of which had been raised by the time shots rang out at Fort Sumter in April. The only reason for numbers so much higher than the usual peacetime number was the expectation of war.
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Istanistan
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« Reply #1 on: 02 10, 11, 08:58:05:PM » Reply

The Nullification Crisis was a sectional crisis during the presidency of Andrew Jackson created by South Carolina's 1832 Ordinance of Nullification. This ordinance declared, by the power of the State itself, that the federal Tariff of 1828 and 1832 were unconstitutional and therefore null and void within the sovereign boundaries of South Carolina.
 
 
The controversial, and highly protective, Tariff of 1828 (known to its detractors as the "Tariff of Abominations") was enacted into law during the presidency of John Quincy Adams. The tariff was opposed in the South and parts of New England. Its opponents expected that the election of Jackson as President would result in the tariff being significantly reduced.
 
 
The nation had suffered an economic downturn throughout the 1820s, and South Carolina was particularly affected. Many South Carolina politicians blamed the change in fortunes on the national tariff policy that developed after the War of 1812 to promote American manufacturing over its British competition. By 1828 South Carolina state politics increasingly organized around the tariff issue. When the Jackson administration failed to take any actions to address their concerns, the most radical faction in the state began to advocate that the state itself declare the tariff null and void within South Carolina.
 
 
 In Washington, an open split on the issue occurred between Jackson and his vice-president John C. Calhoun, the most effective proponent of the constitutional theory of state nullification.On July 14, 1832, after Calhoun had resigned his office in order to run for the Senate where he could more effectively defend nullification, Jackson signed into law the Tariff of 1832. This compromise tariff received the support of most northerners and half of the southerners in Congress. The reductions were too little for South Carolina, and in November 1832 a state convention declared that the tariffs of both 1828 and 1832 were unconstitutional and unenforceable in South Carolina after February 1, 1833.
 
 
Military preparations to resist anticipated federal enforcement were initiated by the state. In late February both a Force Bill, authorizing the President to use military forces against South Carolina, and a new negotiated tariff satisfactory to South Carolina were passed by Congress.
 
 
The South Carolina convention reconvened and repealed its Nullification Ordinance on March 11, 1833.
 
The crisis was over, and both sides could find reasons to claim victory. The tariff rates were reduced and stayed low to the satisfaction of the South, and the states’ rights doctrine of nullification had been rejected by the nation. By the 1850s the issues of the expansion of slavery into the western territories and the threat of the Slave Power became the central issues in the nation.
 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullification_Crisis
Istanistan
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« Reply #2 on: 02 10, 11, 09:00:31:PM » Reply

Think any of the Republican states passing nullification laws to stop insurance regulation reform ["Obamacare"] are realy going to succeed?

HA HA HA

We've seen that movie and the ending sucks for states like these
Me_Beavis_U
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« Reply #3 on: 02 11, 11, 07:06:59:AM » Reply

 
Think any of the Republican states passing nullification laws to stop insurance regulation reform ["Obamacare"] are realy going to succeed?

HA HA HA

We've seen that movie and the ending sucks for states like these

Yes, and it will be nullified in the courts and the Congress. THE PEOPLES CONSTITUTION HAS SPOKEN.

 Excellent History Piece BTW

 
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