Jesus did not come to bring salvation and peace

[sweetwater5s9]

Many bought Hitler's public propaganda speeches.   

[Jim]

Wanna try again. I can name Popes that have.

 I can name a dozen world christian leaders that have gone to war for GOD and Country.
 
 
Then by all means do so.  People who claim they can do something spectacular but don't, generally can't in the first place.
 
Name them!
 
 
 

[Me_Beavis_U]

Pick a Pope

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

As for the Leaders claim, that is Obviously Every Leader that is Leader of a Christian nation.

[darkflower]

Crusades ring any bells? The inquisitions? The conquistador wars and slaughter of native Americans? How about the phrase "for god and country" I mean come on, the claim that nobody ever went to war in god's name is total bullshit. Heck, Britain had a few civil wars specifically over religion and that led directly to many deciding to colonize America to get away from it.

[D2D]

Darkflower, the Crusades were prompted by the Islamist invasion of the holy land and denial of all non-Muslims access to holy sites!
 
The Conquistadors were acting on behalf of greed not religion!
 
Britain religious wars were the result of a monarch refusing to have just one wife!
 
Any more BS distractions you wish to spew forth Darkflower?

[darkflower]

Any more bs spin you want to throw out there? Give me a break already. You would try to argue the sky is not blue if it fit your agenda. I am interested in facts, not pointless spin-offs.

And I am not going to let that stand. I gave obvious facts, you give bs distractions. This point is not even debatable yet you try to debate it. You are given examples and you say derr, that don't get. Well derr, yes it does.

[sweetwater5s9]

the Crusades were prompted by the Islamist invasion of the holy land and denial of all non-Muslims access to holy sites
 
 
That is true but the Crusades were about Islamic forced expansion and brutality than Jesus.   Jesus did not force His religion on others, Mohammed did.  That is historical fact.

[darkflower]

Jesus was dead. The popes and many others forced christianity on people for him. If he disagrees with their doing it then he really has a bizarre way of showing or rather not showing it. Two thousand years and not a peep of protest from him. His silence is deafening.

[sweetwater5s9]

Jesus did not come to bring salvation and peace
 
 
That is the assertion...
 
 
We all know many Mohammed followers have been at war for a global caliph since Mohammed began his reign of terror.  Christians were persecuted after Jesus, Muslims persevuted others after Jesus and still do to this day.  Islam needs reform but many decient Muslims still fear those who follow strict Islamic doctrine from the 7th Century.   
 
 
 

[colfax]

jim says, "Muslims always start wars or bring death in the name of Allah"

yeah, those devious Muslims started the Crusades too

[D2D]

Yes!
 
They did start the Crusades by invading the holy land and stopping religious pilgrims visiting!

[LadyRavensWing]

Okay, I WILL conceed that the Catholic church DID indeed declare war during the Inquisition.. or what some like to refer to as "The Burning Times."


Ldy R.*