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darkflower
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« Reply #36 on: 10 12, 10, 12:56:57:PM » Reply

Sweet is the one trying to rewrite the constitution. The word "christian" does not appear even once in the 1st. So much for the wacky notion that only christians have freedom of religion. Freedom of religion is for everybody and the government can not play favorites.
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« Reply #37 on: 10 12, 10, 01:01:38:PM » Reply

If you would look back at our founding documents and journals documenting the business conducted in our State and Federal houses which have convened across this land throughout our history, you would find loads of such evidence of our reliance upon the God of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, upon the Holy Spirit, and upon Jesus himself written into the documents and lifted up in prayer and proclamation before the countless governing bodies.

I guess that would make recent comments to the contrary those of either a liar or a fool. Which is it?
darkflower
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« Reply #38 on: 10 12, 10, 01:07:25:PM » Reply

And yet the founders were too stupid to make it explicit in the 1st, they assumed it would just be assumed that of course they only meant christian sects and that the athiests, jews and muslims could just rot? As if. Either they were total morons to neglect to be explicit, or you are totally wrong. And even if they actually were that dumb, even if they really meant that freedom is only for christians and to hell with anyone else, too bad, because that is not what the 1st says, it says freedom is for EVERYBODY. So you christians who only want it for yourselves, piss off, too bad for you, that is not what the 1st says.
 
And isn't it insane, those who piss and moan the most about how government needs religion are also the most paranoid about islam? Islam has what they want, religion in government, yet they are the ones again screaming the loudest but against it. Odd. The muslims are doing exactly what the right wants and yet the right calls them the spawn of hell.
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« Reply #39 on: 10 12, 10, 01:11:47:PM » Reply

When President Harry Truman wrote to Pope Pius XII in 1947 that "This is a Christian nation.", he certainly did not mean that the United States has an official or legally-preferred religion or church. Nor did he mean to slight adherents of non-Christian religions. But he certainly did mean to recognize that this nation, its institutions and laws, was founded on Biblical principles basic to Christianity and to Judaism from which it flowed. As he told an Attorney General's Conference in 1950, "The fundamental basis of this nation's laws was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and Saint Matthew, from Isaiah and Saint Paul. I don't think we emphasize that enough these days. If we don't have a proper fundamental moral background, we will finally end up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the State."

Woodrow Wilson, in his election campaign for President, made the same point: "A nation which does not remember what it was yesterday, does not know what it is today, nor what it is trying to do. We are trying to do a futile thing if we do not know where we came from or what we have been about.... America was born a Christian nation. America was born to exemplify that devotion to the tenets of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of Holy Scripture."


The crucial role of Christianity in this nation's formation is not without dispute, although as Revolutionary leader Patrick Henry said: "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship."


Samuel Adams, who has been called 'The Father of the American Revolution' wrote The Rights of the Colonists in 1772, which stated: "The rights of the colonists as Christians...may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institution of the Great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament."



In a 1962 speech to Congress, Senator Robert Byrd noted that of the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 29 were Anglicans, 16-18 were Calvinists, and among the rest were 2 Methodists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 lapsed Quaker-sometimes Anglican, and only 1 open Deist — Benjamin Franklin who attended all Christian worships and called for public prayer.


Samuel Chase was a signer of the Declaration of Independence, a Justice of the US Supreme Court, and, as Chief Justice of the State of Maryland, wrote in 1799 ( Runkel v Winemiller): "By our form of government, the Christian religion is the established religion... ." (Maryland was one of nine States having established churches supported by taxpayers at the time of the adoption of the Constitution; these churches were gradually disestablished, the last in 1833. The Maryland constitution, typical of many of the States, restricted public office to Christians until, in 1851, it was changed to allow Jews who believed in a future state of rewards and punishments to also serve).



Justice Joseph Story, who was appointed to the US Supreme Court by President Madison, said in an 1829 speech at Harvard: "There never has been a period of history, in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying at its foundation." Story wrote several respected treatises or Commentaries on Constitutional Law, in which are found the following: "Probably, at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, and of the [First] Amendment...the general, if not the universal, sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement from the State so far as was not incompatible with the private rights of conscience and the freedom of religious worship. Any attempt to level all religions, and to make it a matter of state policy to hold all in utter indifference, would have created universal disapprobation, if not universal indignation."

"The real object of the First Amendment was not to countenance, much less to advance Mohammedanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity, but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects and to prevent any national ecclesiastical patronage of the national government".

Justice Story wrote for a unanimous Supreme Court in 1844 ( Vidal v Girard's Executors): "It is also said, and truly that the Christian religion is a part of the common law... ."
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« Reply #40 on: 10 12, 10, 01:27:31:PM » Reply

When President Harry Truman wrote to Pope Pius XII in 1947 that "This is a Christian nation.",
 
he was full of shit.
 
 
 
darkflower
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« Reply #41 on: 10 12, 10, 01:33:04:PM » Reply

The claim that the nation was founded on christian principles is total rubbish. Based on the bible? Where does the bible advocate any of the bill of rights? Or democracy? Separation of powers, checks and balances? The bible is actually against all of that. The nation was founded on the principles of the enlightenment. That is where you find advocacy for democracy and liberty. Not the bible.
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« Reply #42 on: 10 12, 10, 01:38:10:PM » Reply

he was full of shit.

 
You're the one full of shit and you don't speak for America, you only represent about 8% of the trash in America..
 
The constitution and bill of rights conclude all our rights are from God, not from a liberal nanny you liberals need to change your diapers..
captain_kook
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« Reply #43 on: 10 12, 10, 01:45:59:PM » Reply

speaking of full of shit
 
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