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« on: 01 12, 19, 01:51:58:AM » Reply

It's not just the tragic murders of the Kate Steinles of our country -- isolated or not -- that are the result of insufficient enforcement at our Southern border. Far more deaths than are commonly imagined occur because of this laxity and many of them, despite recent assertions to the contrary by NBC and FOX's Chris Wallace, have a not-so-subtle relationship to terrorism.
In fact, under the radar, terrorism in its most organized forms plays a significant and deadly role on our border.
How is that possible when -- to date, according to some reports -- only a relatively small number of certifiable terrorists have been caught crossing red-handed on violent missions, as was argued by NBC and Wallace?
Look no further than the life expectancy of Americans that has declined over the last few years for the first time in decades. This disturbing development has been ascribed to sedentary lifestyles and a rising suicide rate, particularly among white males, but most of all to the opioid and related drug crises. Drug overdose deaths reached 70,000 in 2017.  (As nearly everyone knows, 9/11 killed slightly fewer than 3000. And that was, luckily, a one-time event. The 70,000 figure, plus or minus, has become roughly an annual rate.)
The Atlantic published a study on who has suffered most from this epidemic.
The only racial group that saw a significant increase in their death rate between 2015 and 2016 were black men: Their age-adjusted mortality rate increased by 1 percent.
“What you see this year is a leveling off of the gains that we’ve had over the years, especially with heart disease and cancer,” among black men, said Garth Graham, the president of the Aetna Foundation and former head of the U.S. Office of Minority Health. “And the opioid epidemic is starting to overtake whatever gains we’ve made in that sector.”


https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/terrorism-actually-does-kill-many-americans-via-the-southern-border/
darkflower
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« Reply #1 on: 01 12, 19, 02:57:34:AM » Reply

Laziness, suicide, and drugs are not terrorism, dumbo.

And illegals make the country safer since they are less prone to violence than citizens.
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« Reply #2 on: 01 12, 19, 03:04:46:AM » Reply

That is a lie!

Obviously you didn't follow my link as usual!

Additionally:

This report is a companion to a recent report published by the Center for Immigration Studies looking at welfare use by all immigrant households, based on
Census Bureau data. This report separates legal and illegal immigrant households and estimates welfare use using the same Census Bureau data as that study.
This analysis shows that legal immigrant households make extensive use of most welfare programs, while illegal immigrant households primarily benefit from food
programs and Medicaid through their U.S.-born children. Low levels of education — not legal status — is the main reason immigrant welfare use is high.

Among the findings:
  •    An estimated 49 percent of households headed by legal immigrants used one or more welfare programs in 2012, compared to 30 percent of households headed by natives.
  •    Households headed by legal immigrants have higher use rates than native households overall and for cash programs (14 percent vs. 10 percent), food programs (36 percent vs. 22 percent), and Medicaid (39 percent vs. 23 percent). Use of housing programs is similar.
  •    Legal immigrant households account for three-quarters of all immigrant households accessing one or more welfare programs.
  •    Less-educated legal immigrants make extensive use of every type of welfare program, including cash, food, Medicaid, and housing.
  •    The overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants have modest levels of education; therefore, the high use of welfare associated with less-educated legal immigrants indicates that legalization would likely increase welfare costs, particularly for cash and housing programs.
  •    Restrictions on new legal immigrants’ access to welfare have not prevented them from accessing programs at high rates because restrictions often apply to only a modest share of immigrants at any one time, some programs are not restricted, there are numerous exceptions and exemptions, and some provisions are entirely unenforced. Equally important, immigrants, including those illegally in the country, can receive welfare on behalf of their U.S.-born children.
https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Legal-and-Illegal-Immigrant-Households
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« Reply #3 on: 01 12, 19, 03:05:13:AM » Reply

The crime rate among illegal immigrants in Arizona is twice that of other residents, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Friday, citing a new report based on conviction data.

The report, from the Crime Prevention Research Center, used a previously untapped set of data from Arizona that detailed criminal convictions and found that illegal immigrants
between 15 and 35 are less than 3 percent of the state’s population, but nearly 8 percent of its prison population.

And the crimes they were convicted of were, on the whole, more serious, said John R. Lott Jr., the report’s author and president of the research center.

His findings also challenge the general narrative that immigrants commit fewer crimes. Those past studies usually don’t look at legal versus illegal populations, Mr. Lott said.

Mr. Lott said the Arizona data is able to peek behind that curtain, and the differences between the populations were stark.

“There appears to be a huge difference between the two groups,” Mr. Lott said. “The type of person who goes through the process to legally immigrate in the United States appears to
be very law-abiding versus even the U.S.-born population. The reverse is true for undocumented immigrants — they are committing crimes, and more serious crimes.”

Among nearly 4,000 first- and second-degree murder convictions, undocumented immigrants accounted for nearly 13 percent — significantly higher than their percentage of the population.
Legal immigrants, by contrast, were less than 1 percent of convicts. Native-born made up the rest.

Undocumented immigrants also accounted for five times the rate of convictions for money laundering and kidnapping, and were three times more likely to be convicted of drive-by shootings.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/26/illegals-commit-crimes-double-rate-native-born-stu/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/illegal-immigrant-crime-rates/

http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/23/illegal-aliens-crime-tucker/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/illegal-immigration-crime-us-civil-rights-commission/

https://www.dailywire.com/news/10155/9-things-you-need-know-about-illegal-immigration-aaron-bandler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYoSldOwNoI
D2D
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« Reply #4 on: 01 12, 19, 03:21:53:AM » Reply

One County Saw a 27% Drop in Assaults After It Helped Enforce Immigration Law. Here’s the Rest of the Story.


For more go to Daily Signal


The findings of this analysis show that if a border wall stopped a small fraction of the illegal immigrants who are expected to come in the next decade, the fiscal savings
from having fewer illegal immigrants in the country would be sufficient to cover the costs of the wall. This analysis takes the likely education level of illegal border-crossers
and applies fiscal estimates developed by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (NAS) for immigrants by education level. NAS calculates the future fiscal
balance immigrants create — taxes paid minus costs. NAS reports fiscal balances as "net present values", which places a lower value on future expenditures than on current expenditures.
Based on the NAS data, illegal border-crossers create an average fiscal burden of approximately $74,722 during their lifetimes, excluding any costs for their U.S.-born children.
If a border wall stopped between 160,000 and 200,000 illegal crossers — 9 to 12 percent of those expected to successfully cross in the next decade — the fiscal savings would equal the $12 to $15 billion cost of the wall.1

Among the findings:

    There is agreement among researchers that illegal immigrants overwhelmingly have modest levels of education — most have not completed high school or have only a high school education.
    There is also agreement that immigrants who come to America with modest levels of education create significantly more in costs for government than they pay in taxes.
    A recent NAS study estimated the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) of immigrants by education. Averaging the cost estimates from that study and combining them
    with the education levels of illegal border-crossers shows a net fiscal drain of $74,722 per illegal crosser.2

    The above figures are only for the original illegal immigrants and do not include any costs for their U.S.-born descendants. If we use the NAS projections that include the descendants,
    the fiscal drain for border-crossers grows to $94,391 each.

    If a border wall prevented 160,000 to 200,000 illegal crossings (excluding descendants) in the next 10 years it would be enough to pay for the estimated $12 to $15 billion costs of the wall.
    Newly released research by the Institute for Defense Analyses (IDA) done for the Department of Homeland Security indicates that 170,000 illegal immigrants crossed the border successfully
    without going through a port of entry in 2015.3 While a significant decline in crossings from a decade ago, it still means that there may be 1.7 million successful crossings in the next decade.
    If a wall stopped just 9 to 12 percent of these crossings it would pay for itself.

    If a wall stopped half of those expected to successfully enter illegally without going through a port of entry at the southern border over the next 10 years, it would save taxpayers nearly
    $64 billion — several times the wall's cost.

Important Caveats and Observations About These Estimates

    In addition to crossing the border surreptitiously, aliens join the illegal population primarily by overstaying a temporary visa. A southern border wall would not address this part of the illegal flow.
    A large share of the net fiscal cost of illegal immigrants is at the state and local level, not the federal level. The costs of building the wall will be borne by the federal government.
    To create its long-term fiscal estimates for immigrants by education level, the NAS uses the concept of "net present value" (NPV). This concept, which is commonly used by economists, has the
    effect of reducing the size of the net fiscal drain that unskilled immigrants will create in the future. The NAS does this because costs or benefits years from now are valued less in economics
    relative to more immediate costs. But this means the actual net lifetime fiscal cost of illegal border-crossers, given their education levels, is possibly $140,000 to $150,000 each in their lifetimes
    if the NPV concept is not used.4

For more go to CIS!
D2D
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« Reply #5 on: 01 12, 19, 03:23:28:AM » Reply

A total  of 58,766 known  or suspected  aliens  were in  in  DOJ custody  at the end of  FY 2017, including  39,455 persons  in  BOP custody  and 19,311 in  USMS custody.
Of this  total,  37,557 people had been  confirmed  by U.S. Immigration  and Customs  Enforcement (ICE) to be aliens  (i.e., non-citizens  and  non-nationals),  while  21,209
foreign-born  people were still  under  investigation  by  ICE to determine  alienage.
Among  the  37,557 confirmed  aliens,  35,334 people (94 percent)  were unlawfully  present.  These numbers include a 92 percent  unlawful  rate among  24,476 confirmed  aliens  in 
BOP custody  and a 97 percent unlawful rate among  13,081 confirmed  aliens  in  USMS custody.
This  report  does not include  data on  the  foreign-born  or alien  populations  in  state  prisons and local  jails  because state  and local  facilities  do not  routinely  provide 
DHS or DOJ with comprehensive  information  about  their  inmates  and detainees.  This  limitation  is noteworthy because  state and local  facilities  account  for  approximately 90
percent of  the total  U.S. incarcerated  population.  DHS and DOJ are working  to develop  a reliable  methodology  for estimating  the status  of state and  local  incarcerated populations  in  future  reports.


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/12/21/doj-releases-new-numbers-oneinfive-federal-prisoners-are-foreign-born-n2425834

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Alien_Incarceration_Report_OIS_FY17_Q4_2.pdf

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421673/report-us-spent-187-billion-incarcerate-illegal-immigrant-criminals-2014-joel-gehrke

In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a
two-year period in just one U.S.district court were not U.S. citizens.[1]
While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presidential vote margin in Florida in 2000.
Indeed, the Census Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida,[2]
and the U.S.Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.
[3]

https://www.heritage.org/report/the-threat-non-citizen-voting

Do you know where they go to find jurors?

Voter rolls!

That means at least 3 percent of voters are illegals!

More than enough to swing several elections in the favor of Democrats!
Jim
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« Reply #6 on: 01 12, 19, 03:51:09:AM » Reply

And illegals make the country safer since they are less prone to violence than citizens.
 
Yet it doesn't actually matter "How Many."
When that person who is murdered by an illegal happens to be your Husband, Wife, Son, Daughter you will be the first to say one is too many.


DarkFlower says its OK to allow Rapists in illegally from  Mexico since they don't Rape as much as the ones already here. So, adding them to the pile is no big deal.  Right DF?  Thats the stupid logic you want to defend?
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« Reply #7 on: 01 12, 19, 04:47:26:AM » Reply

El Chapo isn`t the only Mexican that knows how to dig a tunnel. The 3 tunnels discovered in Arizona this month bring the total to over 200 found in the history of the Border Patrol.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/08/24/drug-smuggling-tunnel-mexico-found-under-abandoned-kfc-arizona/?utm_term=.ef6dbef5815a

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/11/border-wall-third-drug-tunnel-one-month-found-along-arizona-border/2554567002/
D2D
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« Reply #8 on: 01 12, 19, 06:47:49:AM » Reply

So?

How were those tunnels discovered?

Are you seriously claiming people can move across the border quicker using tunnels than walking across a border without a wall?
August West
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« Reply #9 on: 01 12, 19, 07:35:40:AM » Reply

There is a wall already genius. I`ll try to explain it so even you can understand it.
The people using the tunnel to cross the border probably did not create the tunnel. The tunnel builders charge a fee to use it but they don`t actually use it themselves. It`s a great source of income whether it`s drugs or people coming through the tunnel. These entrepreneurs are neither lazy or stupid but I`m sure you knew that.
darkflower
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« Reply #10 on: 01 12, 19, 07:59:18:AM » Reply

Jim too dumb to understand per capita? And how a group that is the victim more than the perp means all other groups are victims less often?

And by Jims logic, nobody should be allowed to live here since that would stop all crime and even one is too many. Usa, no humans allowed.
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« Reply #11 on: 01 12, 19, 09:15:39:PM » Reply

So?

How were those tunnels discovered?

Are you seriously claiming people can move across the border quicker using tunnels than walking across a border without a wall?
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