All of you Truthers, come help out 13

[Thomasj_tx]

http://www.aesopsretreat.net/forum/index.php?topic=23648.msg201451#msg201451
 

Finally, the admission by a Right-Winger.  Yes, yes indeed he [President Bush] and his brother Marvin who was supposed to be in charge of security for the WTC, and Larry Silverstein who collected $7 BILLION in insurance from the destruction of the WTC, and the list goes on and is very damning.

But it's good to hear you finally admit the Truth.

 
Come on now.  I know that all of you Truthers want to weigh in on 13's revelation. 

[hoosier_daddy]

are you saying that is not true?  i really don't know...even if it is, so what? 

[Thomasj_tx]

are you saying that is not true?  i really don't know...even if it is, so what? 

Yes.  It is not true.
 
Are you a Truther too, Ho?

[hoosier_daddy]

i am a truther in that i want the truth.  you cannot handle the truth, much like jack nicholson said.  got any links proving what 13 said is not true?

[sweetwater5s9]

It should be easier to get Obama's long form birth certificate than blame the WTC attack on Americans, LOL.  Should be... 

[13]

i am a truther in that i want the truth.  you cannot handle the truth, much like jack nicholson said.  got any links proving what 13 said is not true?

Thank you, hoosier!  Much appreciated. 

[lakitss]

I didn't see any liks that proved she was either.
 
Anyone who thinks for a second that Bush would allow or be complicit in the 9-11 attacks needs serious psychoanalysis and Thorazine.

[Thomasj_tx]

i am a truther in that i want the truth.  you cannot handle the truth, much like jack nicholson said.  got any links proving what 13 said is not true?

Let's see how you handle the truth, Ho.  You too, 13ager.

First, Silverman did not acquire the Towers. He had a 99 year lease.

http://www.forbes.com/2003/09/11/cx_da_0911silverstein.html


Second, he did not collect $7 billion.

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/new-hurdle-may-halt-wtc-project/33033/
　

Third, Marvin Bush had nothing to do with security at the Towers when they were attacked. He was on the Board of Directors of Securacom from 1993-2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_P._Bush
　

Fourth, Securacom had nothing to do with security at the Towers when they were attacked. Their contract for electronic security services for the World Trade Center ended in 1998.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securacom

Need anything else, Ho?

How do you appreciate that, 13ager?

[13]

Okay, let's take these down one at a time -- but I'm going to have to go back out and get my proof -- however even the sources you used -- one of them in particular doesn't actually mean what you said if does, Thomas:


Fourth, Securacom had nothing to do with security at the Towers when they were attacked. Their contract for electronic security services for the World Trade Center ended in 1998.

Let's see how you handle the truth, Ho.  You too, 13ager.

First, Silverman did not acquire the Towers. He had a 99 year lease.

http://www.forbes.com/2003/09/11/cx_da_0911silverstein.html


Second, he did not collect $7 billion.

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/new-hurdle-may-halt-wtc-project/33033/
　

Third, Marvin Bush had nothing to do with security at the Towers when they were attacked. He was on the Board of Directors of Securacom from 1993-2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_P._Bush
　

Fourth, Securacom had nothing to do with security at the Towers when they were attacked. Their contract for electronic security services for the World Trade Center ended in 1998.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securacom

Need anything else, Ho?

How do you appreciate that, 13ager?

[13]

Let's see how you handle the truth, Ho.  You too, 13ager.

First, Silverman did not acquire the Towers. He had a 99 year lease.

http://www.forbes.com/2003/09/11/cx_da_0911silverstein.html


Okay for starters while I'm busy finding the rest of the proofs, if Silverstein didn't own it, how did he manage to collect $7 BILLION dollars on it?

Wouldn't that money go to the building owner?

And if he insured the property against loss of revenue that it would hypothetically -- but not provably --  bring in  -- there's a motive right there for helping see it go so he didn't have to worry whether his investment worked out -- no waiting if you know when it's gonna blow.

And there are tapes and his admission that he told the NYCFD to "PULL" the bldg.  Setting the charges for a building pull takes at least 2 weeks -- how did they get into the building in all that confusion to set the charges to "PULL" it?!

[13]

Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles and United

by Margie Burns

George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family. The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec, is in Sterling, Va.. Its CEO, Barry McDaniel, said the company had a ``completion contract" to handle some of the security at the World Trade Center ``up to the day the buildings fell down." It also had a three-year contract to maintain electronic security systems at Dulles Airport, according to a Dulles contracting official. Securacom/Stratesec also handled some security for United Airlines in the 1990s, according to McDaniel, but it had been completed before his arriving on the board in 1998. McDaniel confirmed that the company has security contracts with the Department of Defense, including the U.S. Army, but did not detail the nature of the work, citing security concerns. It has an ongoing line with the General Services Administration - meaning that its bids for contracts are noncompetitive - and also did security work for the Los Alamos laboratory before 1998. Marvin P. Bush, the president's youngest brother, was a director at Stratesec from 1993 to fiscal year 2000. But the White House has not publicly disclosed Bush connections in any of its responses to 9/11, nor has it mentioned that another Bush-linked business had done security work for the facilities attacked. Marvin Bush joined Securacom when it was capitalized by the Kuwait-American Corporation, a private investment firm in D.C. that was the security company's major investor, sometimes holding a controlling interest. Marvin Bush has not responded to telephone calls and e-mails for comment. KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec. The managing director at KuwAm, Wirt D. Walker III, was also a principal at Stratesec, and Walker, Marvin Bush and al Sabah are listed in SEC filings as significant shareholders in both companies during that period. Marvin Bush's last year on the board at Stratesec coincided with his first year on the board of HCC Insurance, formerly Houston Casualty Co., one of the insurance carriers for the WTC. He left the HCC board in November 2002. But none of these connections has been looked at during the extensive investigations since 9/11. McDaniel says principals and other personnel at Stratesec have not been questioned or debriefed by the FBI or other investigators. Walker declined to answer the same question regarding KuwAm, referring to the public record. Walker is also chairman and CEO of Aviation General, a Tulsa, Okla.-based aviation company with two subsidiaries. SEC filings also show al Sabah as a principal and shareholder in Aviation General, which was recently delisted by the Nasdaq. Stratesec was delisted by the American Stock Exchange in October 2002. The suite in which Marvin Bush was annually re-elected, according to public records, is located in the Watergate in space leased to the Saudi government. The company now holds shareholder meetings in space leased by the Kuwaiti government there. The White House has not responded to various requests for comment. Speaking of the Watergate, Riggs National Bank, where Saudi Princess Al-Faisal had her ``Saudi money trail" bank account, has as one of its executives Jonathan Bush, an uncle of the president. The public has not learned whether Riggs - which services 95 percent of Washington's foreign embassies - will be turning over records relating to Saudi finance. Meanwhile, Bush has nominated William H. Donaldson to head the Securities and Exchange Commission. Donaldson, a longtime Bush family friend, was a Yale classmate of Jonathan Bush. On the very day of the tragic space shuttle crash, the government appointed an independent investigative panel, and rightly so. Why didn't it do the same on Sept. 12, 2001? http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm

[chuck_curtis]

Can someone explain to me how they can deny that something is "rotten in Denmark" given that the towers fall at free-fall acceleration?  Why would anyone want to deny it?