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The reason the Left is pushing this 'White Supremacist'
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damned afraid of losing the Black Vote, that they have to Lie..

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seahooker
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« Reply #132 on: 03 12, 16, 06:55:16:PM » Reply

is it possible that the WMDs were made in the USA and Europe before Bush was President and he was protecting American interests?
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« Reply #133 on: 03 12, 16, 07:29:01:PM » Reply

how can jerkwater try to pretend that the CIA told the truth about Iraq having wmds, when there was no way there was any proof they had any?  in 2004, our troops were being shot at, in combat, due to bush's lies, and taking way more casualties as occupiers and nation builders as invaders when they ran thru Iraq like a hot knife thru butter.  I don't care what side of the political fence you areon, WHEN OUR SOLDIERS ARE UNDER FIRE, that is not the best time to try and sort out the truth of why bush lied them into combat, it is time to move on, until enough time passes that such an intensely important investigation can be carried out with anyone claiming it is just an attempt to not support our troops in harm's way. even a teabagger should know that is what bush counted on. he and the other chickenshit repubs could smear any outrage from democrats and independents and fair minded republicans at being lied into the war when it was obvious Iraq had no wmds by saying they were hurting the troops already in combat!! and what you are claiming is not true, many CIA operatives and analysts have come forward saying they were coerced and told to concentrate on finding niger uranium links and aluminum centrifuge links and to believe the self serving bullshit coming from Chalabi and other paid off Iraqi exiles with close ties to Iran.


(CNN) -- A retired CIA official has accused the Bush administration of ignoring intelligence indicating that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and no active nuclear program before the United States-led coalition invaded it, CBS News said Sunday.

Tyler Drumheller, the former highest-ranking CIA officer in Europe, told "60 Minutes" that the administration "chose to ignore" good intelligence, the network said in a posting on its Web site.

Drumheller said that, before the U.S.-led attack on Iraq in 2003, the White House "ignored crucial information" from Iraq's foreign minister, Naji Sabri, that indicated Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction.

Drumheller said that, when then-CIA Director George Tenet told President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and other high-ranking officials that Sabri was providing information, his comments were met with excitement that proved short-lived.

"[The source] told us that there were no active weapons of mass destruction programs," Drumheller is quoted as saying. "The [White House] group that was dealing with preparation for the Iraq war came back and said they were no longer interested. And we said 'Well, what about the intel?' And they said 'Well, this isn't about intel anymore. This is about regime change.' "

Drumheller said the administration officials wanted no more information from Sabri because: "The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming, and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy."

CBS said the White House declined to respond to the charge and that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has said Sabri was just one source and therefore not reliable.

But Drumheller said it was not unusual for the administration to rely on single-source stories when those stories confirmed what the White House wanted to hear.

He cited a report the CIA received in late 2001 that alleged Iraq had bought 500 tons of uranium-containing compounds from Africa.

"They certainly took information that came from single sources on the yellowcake story and on several other stories with no corroboration at all," he said.

Bush included the reference, which was attributed to the British and turned out to be false, in his 2003 State of the Union Address.



 
scott_free
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« Reply #134 on: 03 12, 16, 07:30:09:PM » Reply

The CIA in 2002 had sent former ambassador Joseph Wilson to Niger to investigate the claims, and he went public in July 2003 criticizing the Bush administration's case for going to war in Iraq. The subsequent publication of his wife's identity as a CIA employee spawned an investigation that resulted in the indictment of Cheney's chief of staff and is still ongoing. (Full story)

"It just sticks in my craw every time I hear them say it's an intelligence failure," Drumheller told CBS' Ed Bradley. "This was a policy failure. I think, over time, people will look back on this and see this is going to be one of the great, I think, policy mistakes of all time."

The White House earlier this month reacted angrily to a report that Bush had cited trailers suspected as biological weapons labs as proof of the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after intelligence officials knew that the trailers were not part of a WMD program. (Full story)

"I cannot count how many times the president has said the intelligence was wrong," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters.

He added that the administration has implemented reforms to make sure that "the executive branch and the Congress have the best possible intelligence as they move forward to deal with the threats that face this country and face this world."

Another retired CIA official in February said the Bush administration disregarded the expertise of the intelligence community, politicized the intelligence process and used unrepresentative data in making the case for war.

In an article published in the journal Foreign Affairs, Paul R. Pillar, the CIA's national intelligence officer for the Near East and South Asia from 2000 to 2005, called the relationship between U.S. intelligence and policymaking "broken." (Full story)

In November 2005, CNN obtained a 2003 CIA report that raised doubts about a claim that al Qaeda sent operatives to Iraq to acquire chemical and biological weapons -- assertions that were repeated later by then-Secretary of State Colin Powell to the United Nations in making the case for the invasion of Iraq. (Full story)

A day after that report surfaced, Bush gave a speech on Veteran's Day in which he accused critics of the Iraq war of distorting the events that led to the U.S. invasion.

Bush said that "intelligence agencies from around the world agreed with our assessment of Saddam Hussein" and that a Senate Intelligence Committee report issued in July 2004 "found no evidence of political pressure to change the intelligence community's judgments." (Full story)

The Silberman-Robb commission, which was appointed by Bush, also found no evidence that political pressure skewed the intelligence. But neither that commission nor the Senate panel addressed how the administration made its case for war.

Senate Democrats have pressured the Intelligence Committee to complete a second phase of its report that would focus on how the prewar intelligence was used by the administration, rather than how it was produced.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/23/cia.iraq/
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« Reply #135 on: 03 12, 16, 11:56:11:PM » Reply

Scott still doesn't know what a lie is!
duke_john
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« Reply #136 on: 03 13, 16, 07:05:56:AM » Reply

Sure he does.  He tells them all the time.
sweetwater5s9
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« Reply #137 on: 03 13, 16, 08:03:27:AM » Reply

Veteran journalist Bob Woodward said former President George W. Bush did not lie about Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein  having weapons of mass distraction in the buildup to the 2003 Iraq war.

Woodward said, “Iraq is a symbol. You can make a persuasive argument there was a mistake. But there is a kinda line going on that Bush and the other people lied about this. I spent 18 months looking at how Bush decided to invade Iraq. Lots of mistakes, but it was Bush telling George Tenet the CIA director, don’t let anyone stretch the case on WMD. He was the one who was skeptical.

If you try to summarize why we went into Iraq, it was momentum. The war plan kept getting better and easier, and finally at the end, people were saying, ‘Hey, look, it will only take a week or two.’ Early on it looked like it was going to take a year or 18 months, so Bush pulled the trigger. A mistake certainly can be argued, and there is an abundance of evidence. But there was no lie in this that I could find.”


For a lot of people, especially those inside the Washington Beltway who are curious about the internecine goings on that accompany the formulation of policy in administrations of both parties, The Washington Post's Bob Woodward is often the authoritative last word. He's turned up a lot of "scoops" going back to the administration of President Richard M. Nixon who he, along with then-writing partner Carl Bernstein, did more to drive from office in disgrace than just about anyone.

His latest bit of journalism isn't likely to win him any more friends on the left, as he's just knocked down a revered piece of conventional wisdom that will force a reassessment of George W. Bush's presidency. For according to Woodward, there's no evidence the 43rd president of the United States "lied" the nation into war.


End of story...


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2015/05/26/bob-woodward-bush-didnt-lie-to-start-iraq-war



If Democrats wish to contend they were "misled" into war, they should vent their spleen at the CIA.

Working with the U.S. military, the CIA purchased some 400 Borak rockets from an Iraqi seller between 2005 and 2006, uncovering and destroying reserves of sarin nerve agent, the New York Times reported.

The name of the program: Operation Avarice.

“Without speaking to any specific programs, it is fair to say that together with our coalition partners in Iraq, the U.S. military worked diligently to find and remove weapons that could be used against our troops and the Iraqi people,” Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary, said in a written statement.

The Borak rockets were found to contain surprisingly pure sarin, the Times reported.

The chemical weapon, which painfully destroys victims’ nervous system functioning, has been internationally condemned.

According to the Times’ report, Operation Avarice revolved around a single Iraqi who sold the weapons to the Americans in batches.

Run by the CIA office in Baghdad and the Army’s 203rd Military Intelligence Battalion, the program destroyed most of the rockets it recovered — along with thousands of other chemical weapons recovered throughout the American occupation of Iraq — though some rockets were tested in rudimentary ways that may have exposed soldiers to dangerous chemicals.
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« Reply #138 on: 03 13, 16, 08:23:09:AM » Reply

Sure he does.  He tells them all the time.

Short rounds definition of lies is like that of his definition of racism in that only conservatives can be guilty of either.

                                                                                                                                       
scott_free
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« Reply #139 on: 03 13, 16, 08:28:18:AM » Reply

yeah, woodward is a genius.  he said this, according to the bullshit you just posted:  "Iraq is a symbol. You can make a persuasive argument there was a mistake (!!!)"

NO SHIT!!  4500 DEAD SOLDIERS, ANOTHER 35,000 WOUNDED AND 100,000 DEAD IRAQI CIVILIANS, PLUS HOWEVER MANY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WASTED, IS A "PERSUASIVE ARGUMENT," CONSIDERING THERE WERE NO WMDS, NO TIES TO IRAQ AND NO TIES TO 9/11....all of this has been admitted by Bush and Cheney and Rice, the main powers of the government when this incredibly awful decision to invade on no evidence was launched.  the only evidence was second hand hearsay from paid off Iraqi exiles like chalabi, who sat behind Laura Bush at the 2004 SOTU speech and who ended up becoming the Iraqi oil minister (surprise!  surprise!) when the Iranian friendly new Iraq government was formulated.  even if what old man woodward claimed years after the fact was all the way true, every word, it still doesn't excuse bush's lie to invade- that after 3 months on the ground with complete access, blix and his team of inspectors could find no traces of all this massive shit the bush liars had told this country Iraq had and was just waiting to unleash on the world- and bush said there WAS "NO DOUBT" IRAQ POSSESSED THIS STUFF, WHEN THERE WAS NOTHING BUT DOUBT!!  THERE WAS NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, NO ATMOSPHERIC TRACES, NO VERIFIED VIDEOS OR DOCUMENTS OR TRANSCRIPTS OR PHONE CALLS, NO NOTHING, THERE COULD NOT BE- IRAQ HAD NO WMDS!!!  HOW CAN YOU MORONIC ASSHOLES STILL KEEP ARGUING THIS RIGHT WING BULLSHIT?


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sweetwater5s9
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« Reply #140 on: 03 13, 16, 10:44:46:AM » Reply

Woodward said, “Iraq is a symbol. You can make a persuasive argument there was a mistake. But there is a kinda line going on that Bush and the other people lied about this. I spent 18 months looking at how Bush decided to invade Iraq. Lots of mistakes, but it was Bush telling George Tenet the CIA director, don’t let anyone stretch the case on WMD. He was the one who was skeptical.

If you try to summarize why we went into Iraq, it was momentum. The war plan kept getting better and easier, and finally at the end, people were saying, ‘Hey, look, it will only take a week or two.’ Early on it looked like it was going to take a year or 18 months, so Bush pulled the trigger. A mistake certainly can be argued, and there is an abundance of evidence. But there was no lie in this that I could find.”
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« Reply #141 on: 03 13, 16, 10:54:43:AM » Reply

Scott still doesn't know what a lie is!
wvit1001
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« Reply #142 on: 03 13, 16, 11:34:19:AM » Reply

On FOX this morning they were talking about how the gas attacks were carried out by Isis using low quality mustard gas that they had manufactured
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« Reply #143 on: 03 13, 16, 12:18:49:PM » Reply

Working with the U.S. military, the CIA purchased some 400 Borak rockets from an Iraqi seller between 2005 and 2006, uncovering and destroying reserves of sarin nerve agent, the New York Times reported.

The name of the program: Operation Avarice.

“Without speaking to any specific programs, it is fair to say that together with our coalition partners in Iraq, the U.S. military worked diligently to find and remove weapons that could be used against our troops and the Iraqi people,” Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary, said in a written statement.

The Borak rockets were found to contain surprisingly pure sarin, the Times reported.

The chemical weapon, which painfully destroys victims’ nervous system functioning, has been internationally condemned.

According to the Times’ report, Operation Avarice revolved around a single Iraqi who sold the weapons to the Americans in batches.

Run by the CIA office in Baghdad and the Army’s 203rd Military Intelligence Battalion, the program destroyed most of the rockets it recovered — along with thousands of other chemical weapons recovered throughout the American occupation of Iraq — though some rockets were tested in rudimentary ways that may have exposed soldiers to dangerous chemicals.
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