Gun-free zones linked to more mass shootings

[sweetwater5s9]

Interpol’s secretary general, Ron Noble, noted there are two ways to protect people from such mass shootings:

“One is to say we want an armed citizenry; you can see the reason for that. Another is to say the enclaves [should be] so secure that in order to get into the soft target, you’re going to have to pass through extraordinary security.”

Noble sees a real problem: “How do you protect soft targets? That’s really the challenge. You can’t have armed police forces everywhere.”

“It makes citizens question their views on gun control,” he noted.

“You have to ask yourself, ‘Is an armed citizenry more necessary now than it was in the past, with an evolving threat of terrorism?’”

The vast majority of mass shootings in the U.S. have been extensively planned beforehand — often many months or even years in advance, allowing them to find unprotected targets.

Consider the advice from PoliceOne, whose 450,000 members make it the largest private organization of active and retired law-enforcement officers in the U.S.

It surveyed its members last March and asked, “What would help most in preventing large-scale shootings in public?”

Their No. 1 answer: “More permissive concealed carry policies for civilians.” (It was followed by “More aggressive institutionalization for mentally ill persons.”)

Yet the media does understand the dangers of gun-free zones — at least when it comes to their own safety.

Shortly after the Journal News of Westchester County, New York, got national attention in December, 2012 for publishing the names and addresses of local gun owners, documentarian and activist James O’Keefe secretly filmed editors of the paper deciding not to put signs in front of their homes saying that their houses were “gun-free.”

One of the editors, after saying he hated guns, worried out loud that such a sign would make his home a target of criminals.

When Europe-based Interpol is finally considering the notion of letting victims defend themselves, the debate is changing.

So-called gun-free zones shouldn’t be the place where victims are sitting ducks.


complete article @

http://www.gunownersofvermont.org/the-cruelty-of-gun-free-zones/

[scott_free]

hilarious!!  how is anybody shot if there are no guns?  like in, say, Japan? hardly any guns in society, almost none, and they had 11 gun homicides the same year we had about 12,000 and they have about half our population!!  THERE GOES THAT STUPID FUCK THEORY!!  how gullible are you gun nuts?  anyway?

[sweetwater5s9]

How does an idiot think that designating a gun free zone will stop criminals from committing mass shootings?   It does the opposite as exposed.   You lose again, hooty.


Consider the advice from PoliceOne, whose 450,000 members make it the largest private organization of active and retired law-enforcement officers in the U.S.

It surveyed its members last March and asked, “What would help most in preventing large-scale shootings in public?”

Their No. 1 answer: “More permissive concealed carry policies for civilians.” (It was followed by “More aggressive institutionalization for mentally ill persons.”)

[scott_free]

how do you think even more people with guns in public somehow leads to less use of guns in public, idiot?  how does an untrained dumbass gun nut manage to use a handgun from more than 20' away, in less than 15 seconds, to stop one or more assholes or maybe just one dumbass gun nut who has lost his shit, from killing about 30 people in less than 15 seconds by emptying his high capacity clip at strangers nearby when he decides to go crazy?  why are you so fucking stupid?the bad guy with the gun GETS TO CALL THE SHOTS, SO TO SPEAK, MORON.  he decides if and when to start shooting, to put a gun to your ribs or head, and the guy with a gun in his pants or holster can't do nothing about it.  if all it took was a gun for you to be safe in public, no cop would have ever died, and no soldier.  go away.  you are too fucking stupid to discuss anything with. 

[1965hawks]

sweetwater5s9: How does an idiot think that designating a gun free zone will stop criminals from committing mass shootings?   It does the opposite as exposed.   You lose again, hooty.

The NRA blames the reason for mass shootings on the US having too many un-free zones. As many "gun-rights activists" (read, those supporting the bogus interpretation of the Second Amendment) say this is the reason for such incidents, politicians beholden to the gun lobby are also jumping on the band wagon labeling gun-free zones as "come and get me" zones. But data shows the gun lobby's chief argument for more firearms in schools, malls, and beyond is, not surprisingly, just plain wrong.

Truth is, sweetwater5s9, you're the real idiot for believing and parroting the gun lobby's disinformation. And, of course, as is always the case, you're the loser here, sweetie.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/gun-free-zones-mass-shootings 




 

[sweetwater5s9]

Even law enforcement recognizes that gun-free zones leave shooting victims defenseless.

Not only are these killers deterred from attacking where victims are able to defend themselves, but if an attack occurs, it is quickly stopped before many people are harmed.

With all the discussions about the weapon used and how the killer obtained it, the simplest fact for the media to obtain is whether the attack occurred in a gun-free zone, but it almost never gets mentioned in the hard-news accounts.

The gun-control debate would be dramatically different if the media mentioned this even once in a while.

When Europe-based Interpol is finally considering the notion of letting victims defend themselves, the debate is changing.

So-called gun-free zones shouldn’t be the place where victims are sitting ducks.


A national survey of police officers show overwhelming support for the Second Amendment while opposing many federal gun control proposals they say would do little, if anything, to stop crime.

The national survey was conducted by PoliceOne.com, an online resource for law enforcement officials that offers a wealth of information and services to officers across the country. The group has more than 450,000 members and conducted a scientific survey.



  Republished with permission.


http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/cops-say-gun-control-proposals-do-nothing-stop-crime

[scott_free]

I know you boys are idiots, and I know you boys have the reasoning power of a can of peaches, but the ONLY reason there are more shootings in so-called gun free zones than in gun okayed zones, if there is such a thing, IS BECAUSE ALMOST ALL PUBLIC PLACES ARE GUN-FREE ZONES- BY YOUR DEFINITION!!  your so-called gun free zones are not really gun free zones anyway, in most cases, since concealed carry permits have been okayed by several dumbass red states and even a lot of blue states much more easily than before.  the feds only have one gun free zone by law in public- school zones.  and even then, it only affects those caught with a gun who are breaking state laws about carrying guns and it basically just increases the punishment for those who are convicted. if you want to look at a real example of the benefits of a gun free zone, versus what we have here in America- you have to consider Japan.  A country with half our population.  And probably the strictest gun control in any modern country, while we have the dumbest.  The same year they had 11 gun murders, we had about 12,000.  By ratio, we should have had 22.  But we had 12,000.  THERE IS YOUR EXAMPLE, BOY, OF WHAT AN IDIOT YOU ARE AND HOW STUPID IT IS TO THINK GUN FREE ZONES, WHICH REALLY ONLY RARELY EXIST, LEAD TO MORE SHOOTINGS.  WHAT AN IDIOT.   

[sweetwater5s9]

Not only are killers deterred from attacking where victims are able to defend themselves, but if an attack occurs, it is quickly stopped before many people are harmed.

A national survey of police officers show overwhelming support for the Second Amendment while opposing many federal gun control proposals they say would do little, if anything, to stop crime.

The national survey was conducted by PoliceOne.com, an online resource for law enforcement officials that offers a wealth of information and services to officers across the country. The group has more than 450,000 members and conducted a scientific survey.



  Republished with permission.


http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/cops-say-gun-control-proposals-do-nothing-stop-crime

[Local5th]

he decides if and when to start shooting, to put a gun to your ribs or head, and the guy with a gun in his pants or holster can't do nothing about it.

True. But another person can do something about it if they are armed.

[sweetwater5s9]

Hooty dreams up his own scenarios without having a clue.  He always knows more than the professionals and experts.   

[HK91-762mm]

 Fact is the Criminals do not read signs-- If say a bar has a no guns sign and good people leave their guns in the car trunk or home and some nigger or spick wants to rob the bar at 2am and then shoot some people because hes pissed he did not get his fair share of brains when he was made --WHO is going to stop him,,,,?  All the cops will do is write a report and collect evidence...

Liberals --Fuggn   stupid!!!!

[scott_free]

so what you are saying is, local, you gun nuts trust other gun nuts to make life and death police type decisions USING THEIR GUN TO DECIDE THE OUTCOME----BUT WITHOUT ANY REAL TRAINING, WITHOUT ANY AUTHORIZATION, WITHOUT ANY TESTING OF THEIR PHYSICAL OR MENTAL APTITUDE TO BE TRUSTED WITH A GUN, NO MATTER HOW OLD THEY ARE, HOW DUMB THEY MIGHT BE, HOW RACIST OR BIGOTED THEY MIGHT BE, JUST LET THESE PARANOID LOONS WHO FOR SOME REASON ARE TOO SCARED TO BE IN PUBLIC WITHOUT A GUN, MAKE THESE CRITICAL DECISIONS MAYBE TRY TO SHOOT THE WRONG GUY WHEN HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING, OR SHOOT THE HOLD UP VICTIM INSTEAD OF THE PERP BECAUSE HE IS A CRUMMY SHOT OR TOO FAR AWAY TO EVEN TRY, OR KILLS INNOCENT BYSTANDERS, WHICH SOMETIMES YOUNGER, TRAINED, AUTHORIZED COPS DO DURING THESE STRESSFUL SITUATIONS.  THAT IS IDIOTIC.  I read where trained cops, who take target practice every week or so, have an accuracy rate of 18%!!!  what would a chubby out of shape 60 year old gun nut with no practice do? AND YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS?