No One Was Ever Killed By A Gun

[Jw2]

Despite extensive training, police officers  using guns still hurt innocent people.
The 2012 killing of Rekia Boyd is one example.
Bettie Jones, a 55-year-old mother of five, is the latest to die from a Chicago cop's gun.

[scott_free]

the chart provided by racist gun nut liar wd-40 in reply #159 does not match the lies he spewed when he claimed 162 mass shootings, as defined by some arbitrary method which is neither scientific or universally accepted, but certainly among the many ways you can define a mass shooting, does not show 162 such events during Obama, not even ballpark.  it shows exactly 26 such shootings.  vs. 162.....complete lie.  I admit, the rate of mass shootings AS THEY DEFINED IT, went up during 2012 especially and since, to a lesser degree, but what in the hell does that have to do with Obama?  most psychologists say mass shootings create a lot of copycat shooters who envy the spotlight and fame these desperate loser assholes get for taking out their rage on co-workers and strangers.  Obama is the one trying to get sensible gun control laws passed!!  you know, the assault weapon ban, the weapon of choice in mass shootings, the same ban Reagan lobbied for and helped get passed in 1994.

Under Gomer, 15 such defined shootings. Not 11.

[1965hawks]

WWV10MHZ: BUT, you Libs/Dems/Fags/Leftists have ONLY chosen firearms to demonize and try to have banned from the Law-Abiding Citizens of America who have been GUARANTEED by the US Constitution to own/possess.

WWV10MHZ, no amount of your puerile name-calling will support your ridiculous argument that would have the rational discussants of this forum believe no one has ever been killed by a firearm. And, furthermore, I see you're still confused. The issue here is the NRA's ridiculous claim that guns don't kill, not banning guns, or whether private ownership of firearms is constitutionally guaranteed.

WHY Why are NONE none of the dozens of OTHER other murder items[?] ignored for banning/control and ONLYonly firearms targeted? ? ? ? ? ? ?

First of all, WWV10MHZ, your assertion is ambiguous; you did not define "murder item." A favourite tactic used by people like you, who present fallacious arguments, is to base their arguments on undefined terms, however, doing that makes their arguments ambiguous and, of course, that makes their arguments meaningless. Furthermore, your argument would have the reader believe that only firearms are regulated in our society. But that's obviously a big lie. Isn't that right, WWV10MHZ?

[Jw2]

secondly, what the NRA deluded gun nuts keep overlooking is that the suicide by gun count now exceeds the murder rate.

our society has distraught relatives, friends and neighbors who find using a gun to end their life is their best option.

go ahead ... go to google news and type in murder suicide.  you will find a significant number of sad cases, where dysfunctional gun owners decided that their solution to their problems was to kill someone and then themselves.

these are significant numbers.

the other significant statistic that youse gun lovers insist on ignoring is the greater statistical fact that you are more likely to be injured or killed - by accident or on purpose - in a home that has a gun, than to encounter a criminal with a gun.

but, go ahead, make HK a rich man.  he will have to answer to God when the time comes.

go ahead, become just another statistic, just don't make a member of your family one of those statistics.

[1965hawks]

WWV10MHZ: WHY Why are NONE none of the dozens of OTHER other murder items[?] ignored for banning/control and ONLY only firearms targeted? ? ? ? ? ? ?

(HINT:  Because it's REALLY really about the Govt government being able to have FULL CONTROL full control of the [c]itizens who would have NO WAY no way to protect themselves from complete tyranny. It's all part of the SOBama Regime's Obama administration's participation in the Worldwide Socialist Agenda to cede our sovereignty to the United Nations as the [h]ead of One World Government.!!!!)


conspiracy theory: a belief that some covert but influential organization is responsible for a circumstance or event.

WWV10MHZ, wacko, conspiracy theories from the far-right's lunatic fringe never cease to amuse and amaze me. And your babbling one here is a laughable attempt to change the subject. But as I'm sure you know by now, I'm not easily distracted by red herrings. I stay focused on the original issue and the original issue here is the NRA's bogus claim that guns don't kill. Your irrelevant prattle about a "worldwide socialist agenda" and a UN-led "one-world government" does not provide evidence to support your ridiculous argument that would have the reader believe a gun--legally defined as a deadly weapon--is incapable of causing death.

[1965hawks]

To: wmdn_bs

in re: reply #122

wmdn_bs: If during the commission of a crime, a victim is shot and killed. Is the person who did the shooting charged and tried, or the gun?

wmdn_bs,

True or False: Guns don't kill.

Well, is that statement true or false, wmdn_bs? You never responded. Remember?

When a person is shot dead. What does the death certificate list as the cause of death--the shooter or the fatal wound inflicted by the firearm?

What does the death certificate list as the cause of death, wmdn_bs, the shooter or the mortal wound caused by the gun? You never answered the question. Remember?

[1965hawks]

A person accused of shooting a person dead is charged and tried for committing a murder. The instrument the accused used (or allegedly used) to commit the murder is called the murder weapon; and, of course, murder weapons are never tried and convicted of murder. Are they, wmdn_bs? That would be ridiculous. Wouldn't it, wmdn_bs? And since you know that murder weapons are never charged and  tried for murder, your asking me if a gun is charged and tried for murder was incredibly stupid. Isn't that right, wmdn_bs?
___1965hawks, "No One was Ever Killed By A Gun," reply #122.

Thanks for proving my point that guns don't kill people, people do. If guns killed, then guns would be charged, tried or imprisoned.
___wmdn_bs, "No One Was Ever Killed By A Gun," reply #124. 

You're confused again, wmdn_bs. I haven't proved true the NRA's illogical bumper sticker slogan which makes the ridiculous claim that guns don't kill, people do. In actuality, what I did in reply #122 was point out your flawed logic and unsound reasoning--the logical fallacy and fallacy of argument on which your fallacious argument is based. So now let's consider what you posted as rebuttal in reply #124.

Not surprisingly, reply#124 is yet another logical fallacy.

Your logical fallacy: Reductio Ad Absurdum (also known as argumentum ad absurdum)--a common logical fallacy (and fallacy of argument) which seeks to demonstrate that a statement is true by showing that a false, untenable, or absurd result follows from its denial. In other words, wmdn_bs, you continue to argue that guns don't kill and have continually rejected my claim--that guns do kill--as being false, based on the absurd reason you cited in reply#124.



   

[1965hawks]

Guns have only one purpose , that is to defend the lives of yourself or loved ones!
__D2D, "No One Was Ever killed By A Gun," reply #19.

D2D, why would you rely on a gun to defend your life or anyone else's life? Guns are useless for defense; they're harmless. Guns don't kill. Remember?

 

[1965hawks]

wmdn_bs: Guns are used for hunting. Guns are use for shooting clays. Guns are use in target shooting. Guns have been used as signaling devices. Guns have many purposes, all of them valid.

wmdn_bs,

You forgot to mention that guns kill people. In fact, in a typical year, guns take the lives of over thirty thousand people in the United States. But, hey! What the fuck! According to the NRA's bumper sticker slogan, guns don't kill. And if the NRA says guns don't kill, then that claim is unequivocally  true. Right, wmdn_bs?

Yeah...right. 

[1965hawks]

wmdn_bs: Our Second Amendment right to bear arms is protected by the Constitution. Enough said.

But did the Second Amendment say guns don't kill? No that's what the fraudulent organisation calling itself the National Rifle Association (NRA) said. And, apparently, that's what it's dumbed-down stooges believe, despite the absurdity of that claim.

[wmdn_bs]

wmdn_bs: Guns are used for hunting. Guns are use for shooting clays. Guns are use in target shooting. Guns have been used as signaling devices. Guns have many purposes, all of them valid.

wmdn_bs,

You forgot to mention that guns kill people. In fact, in a typical year, guns take the lives of over thirty thousand people in the United States. But, hey! What the fuck! According to the NRA's bumper sticker slogan, guns don't kill. And if the NRA says guns don't kill, then that claim is unequivocally  true. Right, wmdn_bs?

Yeah...right. 

Actually no, you are not correct. I didn't forget to mention that guns kill people. Guns do not kill anyone. They never have and never will. In fact, from the day the first firearm was invented until this very day, a gun has not killed anyone. Many people have been killed by other persons or themselves while using the tool that spits out a projectile, but that is no fault of the firearm itself now is it?

The NRA is correct.

[1965hawks]

D2D: But either way[,] sick people (aka liberals) think a gun imparts manhood on a toter[.]

D2D, that's not the issue here. At issue here is the absurd belief--held by you and other gun fetishists (aka gun nuts)--that guns don't kill.