No One Was Ever Killed By A Gun

[sweetwater5s9]

According to crime statistics from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), knives are consistently used to kill people far more often than rifles are used. And the numbers aren’t even close: five times as many murders were committed with knives than were committed with rifles last year.

The FBI statistics show that knives have been used as a murder weapon far more often than rifles — even those evil “assault weapons” we hear so much about — for quite a while. In 2013, knives or other cutting instruments were used to kill 1,490 victims. In contrast, rifles were the cause of death of 285 murder victims. Shotguns were used in 308 murders. In 2009, the ratio was very similar: knives were used in five times as many murders as rifles.

The number of rifle murders is 27 percent lower today — ten years after the expiration of the “assault weapon” ban — than it was in 2003, the last year “assault weapons” were banned by the federal government.


Maybe the FBI is lying and part of the vast NRA right wing conspiracy?   ROFL.

[1965hawks]

sweetwater5s9: According to crime statistics from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), knives are consistently used to kill people far more often than rifles are used. And the numbers aren’t even close: five times as many murders were committed with knives than were committed with rifles last year.

sweetwater5s9,

The issue here is whether or not guns kill people.  Remember?


True or False: Guns kill people.

True or False?

[D2D]

Law abiding gun owners save a minimum of 392,500 lives annually!

Proving guns are not a public health problem but a contributor to good public health!

An average minimum of 1075 lives are saved by law abiding gun owners every day!

Fact: Every year, people in the United States use guns to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times –
    more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds.(243) Of these instances, 15.7% of the people using firearms defensively
    stated that they "almost certainly" saved their lives by doing so.
Firearms are used 60 times more often to protect lives than to take lives.

(243) Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Kleck and Gertz, Fall 1995
http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6853&context=jclc

Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by
criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year, in the context of about
300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15941-cdc-study-ordered-by-obama-contradicts-white-house-anti-gun-narrative
http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#g24a

1965hawks would sacrifice a minimum of 392,500 lives annually to ban guns!

Remember, gun bans/gun control only effects the law abiding!

Criminals will always be armed!

If liberals had their way the law abiding would be completely defenseless against the criminal element!

[1965hawks]

To: D2D

in re: Reply #230

Evidently you've adopted sweetwater5s9's penchant for posting long-winded claptrap, however, nothing you posted in reply #230 disproved the claim that guns kill people. All you're doing here now is blowing smoke out your ass. That tactic has never worked for you before, so where did you get the inane notion that it would work for you now?

[D2D]

Law abiding gun owners save a minimum of 392,500 lives annually!

Disproving your claim guns only take lives!

Proving guns are not a public health problem but a contributor to good public health!

An average minimum of 1075 lives are saved by law abiding gun owners every day!

Fact: Every year, people in the United States use guns to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times –
    more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds.(243) Of these instances, 15.7% of the people using firearms defensively
    stated that they "almost certainly" saved their lives by doing so.
Firearms are used 60 times more often to protect lives than to take lives.

(243) Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Kleck and Gertz, Fall 1995
http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6853&context=jclc

Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by
criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year, in the context of about
300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15941-cdc-study-ordered-by-obama-contradicts-white-house-anti-gun-narrative
http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#g24a

1965hawks would sacrifice a minimum of 392,500 lives annually to ban guns!

Remember, gun bans/gun control only effects the law abiding!

Criminals will always be armed!

If liberals had their way the law abiding would be completely defenseless against the criminal element!

[1965hawks]

D2D: Law abiding gun owners save a minimum of 392,500 lives annually[,]

Not only is that claim unsupported by factual evidence, it does not support the claim that "no one was ever killed with a gun." Does it, D2D?

[d]isproving your claim guns only take lives!


D2D, you're up to your old tricks again: changing the facts to suit your bogus (and debunked) argument. When did I make that claim, D2D?  When did I make the claim that only guns take lives? That is what your dumb and functionally illiterate ass is really trying to say. isn't that right,you lying little bitch?

[D2D]

Actually, it is fully supported by factual evidence and testimony by law abiding gun owners about their use of firearms for self defense as stated above!

[1965hawks]

D2D: Actually, it is fully supported by factual evidence and testimony by law abiding [sic] gun owners about their use of firearms for self defense as stated above[.]

No, D2D. Actually, that's not true. You're repeated assertion has no basis in fact. As I've already pointed out to you, in actuality, you're citing the exaggerated estimates made in Kleck's  roundly ridiculed and thoroughly debunked "study" that purportedly gave evidence of civilian DGU (defensive gun use).

http://www.armedwithreason.com/defensive-gun-use-gary-kleck-misfires-again/

[D2D]

Actually, it is fully supported by factual evidence and testimony by law abiding gun owners about their use of firearms for self defense as stated above!
                                                                                                                                       

[1965hawks]

D2D: Actually, it is fully supported by blah blah blah blah blah....

D2D, in actuality, the claptrap you've posted so far supports nothing.

Not surprisingly, you can't provide evidence to support preposterous claim that guns don't kill. Your attempt to do so is both futile and illogical. What's even more illogical is your continued and ludicrous use of Kleck's bogus study (on defensive gun use) as evidence to support your laughable argument that guns don't kill. So tell me, D2D, what logical reason is there for me to continue this debate with your foolish ass?

[D2D]

Actually, it is fully supported by factual evidence and testimony by law abiding gun owners about their use of firearms for self defense as stated above!

Law abiding gun owners save a minimum of 392,500 lives annually!

Disproving your claim guns only take lives!

Proving guns are not a public health problem but a contributor to good public health!

An average minimum of 1075 lives are saved by law abiding gun owners every day!

Fact: Every year, people in the United States use guns to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times –
    more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds.(243) Of these instances, 15.7% of the people using firearms defensively
    stated that they "almost certainly" saved their lives by doing so.
Firearms are used 60 times more often to protect lives than to take lives.

(243) Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Kleck and Gertz, Fall 1995
http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6853&context=jclc

Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by
criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year, in the context of about
300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15941-cdc-study-ordered-by-obama-contradicts-white-house-anti-gun-narrative
http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#g24a

1965hawks would sacrifice a minimum of 392,500 lives annually to ban guns!

Remember, gun bans/gun control only effects the law abiding!

Criminals will always be armed!

If liberals had their way the law abiding would be completely defenseless against the criminal element!

[1965hawks]

D2D: Actually, it is fully supported by factual evidence and testimony by law abiding gun owners about their use of firearms for self defense as stated above!Law abiding gun owners save a minimum of 392,500 lives annually!Disproving your claim guns only take lives!Proving guns are not a public health problem but a contributor to good public health!An average minimum of 1075 lives are saved by law abiding gun owners every day!Fact: Every year, people in the United States use guns to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times –   more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds.(243) Of these instances, 15.7% of the people using firearms defensively   stated that they "almost certainly" saved their lives by doing so.Firearms are used 60 times more often to protect lives than to take lives.

(243) Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Kleck and Gertz, Fall 1995
http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6853&context=jclc

Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.

D2D, actually, Kleck and Gertz's seriously flawed study has been debunked. Remember?