The True Cost of Gun Violence in America

[sweetwater5s9]

Work on the social and demographic problem associated with the high cost of violence in America instead of ignoring the problem and blaming an inanimate object, hawk.   If you have the guts to be honest about the social and cultural issues behind the cost of violence in America?

[WWV10MHZ]

69Hocker has a severe case of wishful thinking that banning all guns will somehow end gun violence.

Guess who's the Poster Boy for naivete'!!!!!   DUH!

Banning something has NEVER stopped people that want it from getting it. Look at tobacco and alcohol and drugs and prostitution - and guns worldwide.

It's basic Human Nature to want something that's hard to get.

If guns are outlawed, ONLY outlaws will have guns.  It's as simple as that!!

[1965hawks]

WWWV10MHZ: How can you POSSIBLY not understand that LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS are NOT CRIMINALS? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? [sic]

You're attacking a straw man, WWWV10MHZ. I never make the claim that the law-abiding were criminals.

LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS must not be punished for the acts of CRIMINALS!!!!  DUH!!!! [sic]

Why do you gun nuts believe that pointing out the deleterious effect guns have on the people of this country "punishes"  the law-abiding in this country?

Owning a gun is LAWFUL and GUARANTEED by The Bill Of Rights.

What does that assertion have to do with the issue at hand (the high cost of gun violence in this country).

Why do you want to punish people doing something LAWFUL? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? [sic]

You're arguing the wrong point: In actuality, the high cost of gun violence in America punishes the American taxpayer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/13/taxpayers-gun-violence_n_3915434.html

What does your continuing rant about the cost of gun violence have to do with LAW-ABIDING Citizens possessing guns? ? ? ? ? [sic]

Nothing at all, WWV10MHZ.

You're the one who continues to try to introduce that red herring into our discussion.

Of course gun violence is costly to society. Go after those CRIMINALS!!! [sic]

You're still confused, WWV10MHZ. Gun violence isn't limited to the criminal use of firearms.

Make sure their penalties are severe enough that they would never consider committing violence with a gun. There are Laws already in existence to control guns from being with CRIMINALS - ENFORCE THEM!!!!! [sic]

Points well-taken, WWV10MHZ. But in this discussion they're red herrings: At issue here is the cost of gun violence in this country, not the prosecution of those who use firearms to commit crimes.

BTW - It's a proven FACT that Negroes disproportionately commit much more gun violence than other people. Everybody knows that!! Ask a Cop.

Now let me ask you this: Why do racist gun fetishists like you always attempt to rationalise gun violence in the United States by blaming African Americans and other minorities? Why not instead demand that Congress pass laws that emulate those that are in effect in all the other advanced nations of world, where access to firearms are strictly regulated and where the criminal use of firearms by all races and ethnicities is practically non-existent?

African Americans make up 57% of all gun murders, according to data from the 2010 FBI Uniform Crime Report.














Yeah, WWV10MHZ. But the topic here isn't who commits gun murders; it's the cost of gun violence in the US. You keep ignoring the fact that gun violence is not limited to crimes committed using firearms.

60% of handgun murders are committed against blacks and 27% against whites.

But that statistic is irrelevant in a discussion about the cost of gun violence in the United States. It's another red herring, just like all the other assertions you made in your post. Stop trying to interject red herrings into the discussion, WWV10MHZ, and deal with the original issue...the cost of gun violence in America.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/02/news/economy/gun-violence-insurance/index.html

[Jw2]

gun supporters are incapable of acknowleging facts, let alone offering a solution to the problem....
 
 
other than suggesting more people should have guns.
 
 
which isn't the answer. 

[sine-qua-non]

nope, thats not an answer for socialist slave mentality and  kommies

its THE only answer for freedom minded folk whom love liberty!


thanks for clearing that up JW

[1965hawks]

69Hocker has a severe case of wishful thinking that banning all guns will somehow end gun violence.

Uh-uh. Our forum's resident racist can neither undermine my argument nor defend his. So he's reduced to posting puerile insults in the mistaken belief that a logical fallacy (ad hominem) is a substitute for factual evidence.

Guess who's the Poster Boy for naivete'!!!!!   DUH!

Guess who can't defend his preposterous claims and absurd arguments and has resorted to posting silly ad hominems.
Hint: He's our forum's resident racist.

HAHA

Banning something has NEVER stopped people that want it from getting it. Look at tobacco and alcohol and drugs and prostitution - and guns worldwide.

Um...WWV10MHZ, why are you babbling about banning firearms, tobacco, drugs, and prostitution in a discussion about the costs of gun violence in the United States. Apparently you're confused again. It's either that or you're purposely trying again to interject red herrings into our discussion. But you wouldn't be foolish enough to try that stunt again. Would you, WWV10MHZ? 

It's basic Human Nature to want something that's hard to get.

Huh?

If guns are outlawed, ONLY outlaws will have guns.

Wow! A debunked NRA bumper-sticker slogan. Sorry, WWV10MHZ. Your babbling about outlaws and banning guns is irrelevant here. Give up, fool! 

 It's as simple as that!! [sic]

No, WWV10MHZ. What's really "simple" is the simple-minded bullshit you continue to post here.

HAHA

[1965hawks]

sweetwater5s9: Work on the social and demographic problem associated with blah blah blah blah blah blah....

Here's something for you to work on, sweetwater5s9--the original issue:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/true-cost-of-gun-violence-in-america

[WWV10MHZ]

69Hocker.....

So, what, exactly, IS your point?  What is the objective of posting something concerning the "True Cost of Gun Violence in America"?

Do you want guns banned? Do you NOT want guns banned?

Is it OK for Law-Abiding people to own guns?

Do you want severe penalties for persons who commit gun violence?

Are you saying that Negroes DO NOT commit most of the gun violence in America in spite of the FBI facts?

Are you saying the outlawing of guns will NOT result in outlaws being the people with guns?

Do you want MORE guns in the hands of Law-Abiding Citizens or LESS?

Whatever I say results in you saying I'm wrong, everything!

What the heck are you trying to say? ? ?  Since the TRUE COST of gun violence in America is X, then we must ________________________________.

Please fill in the blank so we know what this thread is really about!!!!!!!!!

[sweetwater5s9]

Work on the social and demographic problem associated with the high cost of violence in America instead of ignoring the problem and blaming an inanimate object, hawk.   If you have the guts to be honest about the social and cultural issues behind the cost of violence in America?


Stop reading trash from Mother Jones and answer the real issues....

[Jw2]

[1965hawks]

sine-qua-non: no, i never said the FBI said the cost of gun violence
had dropped in the last twenty years... [sic]

I know, sine-qua-non. I believe it was Local5th(?) who originally made that claim.

...although gun violence has dropped [sic]

Yes. Apparently it has dropped, according to FBI statistics.

so, the logical and common sense person would see the correlation there
as a decrease in the corresponding "costs" [sic]

Your assertion isn't necessarily true, sine-qua-non.

Your logical fallacy: post hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin for "After this, therefore, because of this")--A logical fallacy committed when someone argues that since event Y followed event X, then event Y must have been caused by event X. For that reason, the fallacy is sometimes called the Chanticleer fallacy, an allusion to the old fable in which the rooster Chanticleer believed his crowing immediately before sunrise caused the sun to rise.

Your assertion takes the FBI statistic far beyond its limits. Yes. According to the FBI violence has declined, but there is no mention of the cost of gun violence also declining . That claim is yours, not that of the statistic you cited. Furthermore, your claim is based not on fact but on your "common sense." In other words your argument is based solely on your personal belief, your strongly held belief, your gut feeling. In actuality, you made an assumption, based on your "common sense"--read, unsupported personal opinion--and concluded that just because the occurrence of gun violence had declined, then, therefore, the costs of gun violence must had also declined.  But, of course, your argument is easily debunked using facts.

Read the following articles, sine-qua-non, and you'll see that the costs of gun violence in the United States continues to increase, not decrease:

$100 billion
http://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/Gun-violence-costs-nation-100-billion-a-year-1265606.php

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/13/taxpayers-gun-violence_n_3915434.html

http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/02/news/economy/gun-violence-insurance/index.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/28/gun-violence-costs-health-care_n_2965248.html

$229 billion
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/true-cost-of-gun-violence-in-america



apparently, you and the kommie rag you quote are dishonestfor not mentioning that FACT

Apparently you're still a stupid and ignorant ass clown, sine-qua-non.

HAHA


and have neither common sense or a logical mind

But you possess common sense and a logical mind. Huh, sine-qua-non? Yeah...Right!

HAHAHAHAHAHA


so you most likely wont [sic] get the concept of correlation, as
you have demonstrated here.

Truth is, sine-qua-non, you've put on another classic demonstration of your stupidity and ignorance, something you're wont to do in this forum. Thanks for the laughs, you blithering idiot.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

you said that the FBI data was a "personal" opinion which it most
certainly not, just facts you are to stupid to deal with without being told
what to think! [sic]

No, you lying Dummkopf. That's not what I said. I said your fallacious argument--that gun costs must've decreased because gun violence has decreased--is obviously based on your own personal opinion, not on actual  FBI data. And, by the way, stop pretending you know how to think; you're only fooling yourself.

LOL 

[1965hawks]

sweetwater5s9: Stop reading trash from Mother Jones

Hmmmmm. I wonder why sweetwater5s9 wants me to stop reading Mother Jones.

Oh wait! I know! She can't refute the results of that magazine's investigative report on the true cost of gun violence in America that I used to support my argument.

LOL

 and answer the real issues.... [sic]

Truth is, sweetwater5s9, what you and your supporters in this discussion really need to do is stop wasting your time posting gun-lobby rigmarole. This is the real issue this thread: "The True Cost of Gun Violence in America:"

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/true-cost-of-gun-violence-in-america