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wvit1001
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« on: 08 20, 14, 02:02:53:PM » Reply

After being compared to Jerry Sandusky and having the credibility of his work questioned, Mann finally has had enough






Dr. Michael Mann, one of the country’s leading climate scientists, has been harassed, threatened, and berated for his views that human actions are contributing to global climate change. But not just from anonymous commenters on websites — from leading publications like the National Review Online. After being compared to Jerry Sandusky and having the credibility of his work questioned, Mann finally has had enough. He is suing Rand Simberg of the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) blog and Mark Steyn at National Review Online for defamation.

So what is defamation and how do you prove it? To be sure, this is not my area of legal expertise. But the basics are fairly straightforward. As an overview, defamation means a public attack, based on false facts, on a person’s professional character or standing on an issue of public interest. The attacks have to cause damage to the plaintiff.

You can defend yourself against charges that you defamed someone by proving that you spoke the “truth.” You can also defend yourself by saying it was just an “opinion” as opposed to fact, although some jurisdictions have eliminated that distinction.

In this case:
 
Mann alleged that four phrases in Simberg’s post were defamatory: “data manipulation,” “academic and scientific misconduct,” “posterboy of the corrupt and disgraced climate science echo chamber,” and accusing the Penn State professor of molesting his data and thus being the “Jerry Sandusky of climate science.” He also cited a subsequent CEI press release that called his research “intellectually bogus.”
 
Trevor Burris of Forbes penned a full-throated defense of National Review and the other defendants, arguing that their words amounted to nothing more than name-calling:
 
While some of these phrases might be impolitic and unprofessional, they are not defamatory. Pugnacious rhetoric is still protected by the First Amendment, especially in matters of public debate.
 
Furthermore, he thinks the lawsuit will hurt the cause of climate change advocacy:
 
Proponents of the theory of catastrophic climate change should think twice before they support Dr. Mann’s lawsuit. In fact, anyone who engages in vigorous intellectual debate should be afraid that Mann’s lawsuit wasn’t immediately dismissed as a nuisance suit that is attempting to stifle First Amendment-protected speech. If Mann wins this lawsuit, he or his friends could easily find themselves on the other side of a defamation suit. Climate-change catastrophists consistently accuse climate-change “deniers” of intellectual and professional malfeasance.
 
I disagree. First, the comments against Mann aren’t just name-calling — they are name-calling to further false challenges to Mann’s work. They misleadingly call into question the accuracy of Mann’s research and methodology. In reality, there’s no real scientific debate on the overall facts. Sure, you can debate the scale of the warming and the precise amount of impact that human activity is having, but an astounding 97% of scientists have reached consensus on the overall issue. The courts should rightly investigate how factually plausible the challenges to Mann’s work are.


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http://legal-planet.org/2014/08/18/why-michael-manns-defamation-suit-against-climate-denialists-is-the-right-move/



Dan
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« Reply #1 on: 08 20, 14, 02:03:59:PM » Reply

There's no such thing as a "climate denialist."
 
Nobody denies the climate.  Keep your straw men to yourself.
chuck_curtis
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Let's go Brandon!


« Reply #2 on: 08 20, 14, 02:06:04:PM » Reply

Now maybe Mann will finally cough up his data and methodology to prove his case.
wvit1001
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« Reply #3 on: 08 20, 14, 02:09:13:PM » Reply

what specific data do you want?
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« Reply #4 on: 08 20, 14, 02:11:59:PM » Reply

Do you have any idea how hard it is to win a defamation suit?

They haven't a chance of winning!
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« Reply #5 on: 08 20, 14, 02:14:27:PM » Reply

He will have to expose his data if he intends to follow through with the suit unless he thinks he will get a settlement out of court for a few bucks.   Doubtful.  He better get his facts in order...
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« Reply #6 on: 08 20, 14, 02:24:31:PM » Reply

wvit,

So now those who refuse belief of your mythology...must relinquish their 1st Amendment rights??   
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« Reply #7 on: 08 20, 14, 02:38:33:PM » Reply

wvit1001 --- Don't listen to all of these right-wing climate-change-deniers!  They ALSO oppose justice for Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri!

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