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darkflower
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« Reply #156 on: 11 16, 13, 03:40:19:PM » Reply

Search "christmas sale" or "christmas sales 2013" and you will get hundreds of MILLIONS of hits.

Um, no, there is no war on christmas, there are only some christians using it for the chance to play victim or spread hate and divisiveness against those who aren't christian enough for their liking.

And for the record, "yule" is the name of a pagan holiday, many pagans celebrate the birth of the sun at that time of year, the wreath and tree are pagan symbols having nothing at all to do with the nativity, and Jesus was almost certainly NOT born in winter given clues in the bible, and best guess is he was born in September.
1965hawks
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« Reply #157 on: 11 16, 13, 04:30:44:PM » Reply

As I said, shut the fuck up, pagan fool. 

Your defense of a ridiculous premise proves you are a fool.

duke_john,
 
You're still confused. It's your continued denial of the pagan origins of Christmas  and Chritianity, and your failure to provide evidence to support the right's claim of a "leftist" war on Christmas that's allowed me to make a fool of you and debunk your illogical arguments for the past several days.
 
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duke_john
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« Reply #158 on: 11 16, 13, 05:55:05:PM » Reply

Bullshit, fool.

All you've done is proved you are a pagan.

And a fool.
sweetwater5s9
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« Reply #159 on: 11 17, 13, 10:16:24:AM » Reply

When addressing the notion that Christmas is a pagan event, we should first start with a very simple pronouncement.


It is not.


Christmas is the day on which we celebrate the birth of the founder of Christianity itself, the man on whom the faith that prevailed over paganism is based. That doesn't sound pagan to me.


But now we'll dig deeper and discuss the myth of Mithras and Sol. That is to say, there is no reason whatsoever to believe that the December 25 Christmas celebration is based on either pagan deity. In fact, all the best evidence tells us something striking about the matter: neither Mithras's birth nor the celebration of Sol's even occurred on the 25th. As to the former, writer and Mithras-cult-expert Roger Beck called the notion of the deity's December 25 birth "that hoariest of 'facts.'" Moreover, avers German professor of ancient history Manfred Clauss, "the Mithraic Mysteries had no public ceremonies of its own" anyway. And about Sol, University of Alberta history professor Dr. Steven Hijmans writes:



... while the winter solstice on or around the 25th of December was well established in the Roman imperial calendar, there is no evidence that a religious celebration of Sol on that day antedated the celebration of Christmas ... The traditional feast days of Sol, as recorded in the early imperial fasti, were August 8th and/or August 9th, possibly August 28th, and December 11th. 


Then Cambridge professor of classics Mary Beard chimes in, addressing the similarities between Roman pagan festivals (be they Saturn's or some other's) and contemporary Christmas celebration, such as eating heartily, giving presents, and time off from work. She writes:



... lots of people have imagined that the early Christians grafted their festivities onto an old pagan ritual. Maybe they did. But there honestly is no evidence for it, beyond the rough coincidence of dates. And, in fact, it was not until a few centuries after Jesus' birth had got fixed onto 25 December that we see signs of much Christmas merrymaking. In the middle of the sixth century they still thought it necessary to forbid fasting on Christmas day.


So the early Christians preferred fasting to feasting, asceticism to Epicurism. And why would this have changed? Well, there are such things as universals. An affinity for eating, giving and getting presents, and leisure time isn't a pagan thing. It isn't a Christian thing. It is a human thing.


And what of the "rough coincidence of dates"? Well, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Will our standard be that we should dispense with a holy day if we determine that some extinct people at some point in the distant past celebrated something else around the same time of year? A Christian should be happier about the fact that Christian traditions prevailed than he is concerned about the way the battle was won.


Yet there is an even larger point here. The Christmasphobes make a fairly common mistake: They take "pagan" as synonymous with "evil."


If we were to discard all things pagan, I should think we'd plunge ourselves back into the Stone Age. We walk on concrete, record our knowledge with letters, and designate our months with names originated/invented by the pagan Romans. We steer our boats with rudders invented by the pagan Chinese; make calculations with numbers invented by pagan Indians; and create computer graphics, medical imaging, and designs for buildings and bridges using geometry formalized by pagan Greeks. And much of our philosophy (and much of that drawn upon by early Christians, mind you) was generated by pagans such as Aristotle and Plato. Should we "go Taliban" and burn all their works -- and other books thus influenced? A pious Christian must believe that pagans could not have had the whole Truth, but only an ignorant Christian would believe they had no Truth.


As for the truth of Jesus's birth, He likely was not born on December 25. And pious Christian scholars have known this since long before the Christmasphobes learned a bit of history. Yet it didn't stop them -- and shouldn't stop any educated person -- from celebrating Christmas.


George Washington was born on February 22, yet we commemorate his birthday the Monday before. Now, I've yet to hear someone say, "This is a fraud! I shall not yield to this distortion of history, and I'll have you know, Sir, that I intend to show up at work on February 15 -- same as always. Stick that in your revisionist pipe!" I fully expect the Christmasphobes to take this principled stand.

After all, the Christmasphobes do not propose to celebrate the Nativity on what they consider a more historically authentic day.  They simply refuse to celebrate it at all.


The bottom line here, as it is with all birthday celebrations, is not when Jesus was born.


It is that He was born.

Selwyn Duke.
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