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nogunsforyoulunatics
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« on: 01 12, 13, 08:37:31:AM » Reply

salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/singleton/?google_editors_picks=true
 
HITLER DID NOT ROUND UP THE GUNS
 
HE DID THE OPPOSITE
 
 
MORE GUNS = LESS CRIME = LIE
MORE GUNS = MORE GUN MURDERS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE= TRUE
nogunsforyoulunatics
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« Reply #1 on: 01 12, 13, 09:14:26:AM » Reply

Here's another le:
 
"The Founding Fathers intended for the citizens to be armed in case the citizens decided to overthrow the government"
 
TRUTH:
There were at least THREE armed rebellions against the US government immediately after the Revolution.
 
 
 
ALL OF THEM WERE CRUSHED by the US government LEAD BY THE SAME OFFICERS WHO LEAD THE REVOLUTION including Washington himself, who lead a massive armed response to the Whiskey Rebellion in Pennsylvania.
 
 
TRUTH: THERE WAS NO SUCH INTENTION as allowing the people to hold an armed revolt anytime they wanted too.
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« Reply #2 on: 01 12, 13, 09:28:59:PM » Reply

 
 
There were only 20 men involved in the Whiskey Rebellion.  Against 13,000 Militia.
 
dget566
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« Reply #3 on: 01 17, 13, 02:53:49:PM » Reply

20??


Try hundreds:

The rebel farmers continued their attacks, rioting in river towns and roughing up tax collectors until the so-called "insurrection" flared into the open in July of 1794 when a federal marshal was attacked in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. Almost at the same time several hundred men attacked the residence of the regional inspector, burning his home, barn and several outbuildings. Pittsburgh was another scene of disorder by enraged mobs.



On August 7, 1794, President Washington issued a proclamation, calling out the militia and ordering the disaffected westerners to return to their homes. Washington's order mobilized an army of approximately 13,000 — as large as the one that had defeated the British — under the command of General Harry Lee, the then-Governor of Virginia and father of Robert E. Lee. Washington himself, in a show of presidential authority, set out at the head of the troops to suppress the uprising.





This was the first use of the Militia Law of 1792 setting a precedent for the use of the militia to "execute the laws of the union, (and) suppress insurrections," asserting the right of the national government to enforce order in one state with troops raised in other states. Even more importantly, it was the first test of power of the new federal government, establishing its primacy in disputes with individual states. In the end, a dozen or so men were arrested, sent to Philadelphia to trial and released after pardons by Washington.



www .earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/whiskey/



2nd Amendment: NOT A LICENSE TO MAKE WAR ON THE US
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« Reply #4 on: 01 17, 13, 09:03:38:PM » Reply

 
 Whiskey Rebellion was 250 years ago.  Get over it.
 
And BTW:  Hitler took the guns from those he later turned to ashes.

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« Reply #5 on: 03 30, 13, 05:07:16:AM » Reply

Those that want your guns, do not have YOUR best interests in mind, Like the Arab terrorists.
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« Reply #6 on: 03 12, 15, 02:55:15:PM » Reply

And BTW:  Hitler took the guns from those he later turned to ashes.



They didn't have any guns to have confiscated - after WW1 Germany passed very tough gun laws and few people could legally own most guns.


The Myth of Nazi Gun Control
 
By N. A. Browne
A commonly heard argument against gun control is that the National Socialists of Germany (the Nazis) used it in their ascent to and maintenance of power. A corollary argument is sometimes made that had the Jews (and presumably the other targeted groups) been armed, they could have fought off Nazi tyranny. This tract seeks to counter these misassumptions about Nazi gun control.

Gun control, the Law on Firearms and Ammunition, was introduced to Germany in 1928 under the Weimar regime (there was no Right to Arms in the Constitution of 1919) in large part to disarm the nascent private armies, e.g. the Nazi SA (aka "the brownshirts").


The Weimar government was attempting to bring some stability to German society and politics (a classic "law and order" position). Violent extremist movements (of both the Left and Right) were actively attacking the young, and very fragile, democratic state. A government that cannot maintain some degree of public order cannot sustain its legitimacy. Nor was the German citizenry well grounded in Constitutional, republican government (as was evidenced in their choices at the ballot box).


Gun control was not initiated at the behest or on behalf of the Nazis - it was in fact designed to keep them, or others of the same ilk, from executing a revolution against the lawful government. In the strictest sense, the law succeeded - the Nazis did not stage an armed coup.



The 1928 law was subsequently extended in 1938 under the Third Reich (this action being the principal point in support of the contention that the Nazis were advocates of gun control).




However, the Nazis were firmly in control of Germany at the time the Weapons Law of 1938 was created.


Further, this law was not passed by a legislative body, but was promulgated under the dictatorial power granted Hitler in 1933.


Obviously, the Nazis did not need gun control to attain power as they already (in 1938) possessed supreme and unlimited power in Germany.




The only feasible argument that gun control favored the Nazis would be that the 1928 law deprived private armies of a means to defeat them. The basic flaw with this argument is that the Nazis did not seize power by force of arms, but through their success at the ballot box (and the political cunning of Hitler himself).






Secondary considerations that arise are that gun ownership was not that widespread to begin with, and, even imagining such ubiquity the German people, Jews in particular, were not predisposed to violent resistance to their government.
The Third Reich did not need gun control (in 1938 or at any time thereafter) to maintain their power.


The success of Nazi programs (restoring the economy, dispelling socio-political chaos) and the misappropriation of justice by the apparatus of terror (the Gestapo) assured the compliance of the German people. Arguing otherwise assumes a resistance to Nazi rule that did not exist.


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A more farfetched question is the hypothetical proposition of armed Jewish resistance. First, they were not commonly armed even prior to the 1928 Law.



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« Reply #7 on: 03 13, 15, 07:41:29:AM » Reply

Gun control "Nazis" have more to do with their attitude than a History lesson... Get real.
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