the Founding Fathers specifically mandated congress to fund two socialist programs- the Post Office and the Navy.  do you think it would make sense to turn the running of the military over to private companies?  the military and all its subsidiary connections are pure socialistic programs.  police and firefighting forces are socialist.  emergency care and ambulance service are socialist.  municipal water and sewer sytems are socialist.  road construction and repair projects are socialist programs.  dams and bridges and other infrastructure projects are socialist programs.  the FBI, the CIA, the EPA, the TVA, the FDA, the FAA, FEMA and FDIC are all socialist programs.  you need to try and get a clue about how much every society uses so-called socialist programs in order to protect the security and the health and welfare of its citizens. 

 
Straight Socialism Does Not Work. Do you really think you make any sense bringing up these inane childish arguments? 
 
 

what do you mean by straight socialism?  is that teabagger code for "socialism for black people?"  here is a clue, little man.  we are tenth in standard of living.  the 9 countries in front of us are all far more socialist than ours.  way way way way way way more socialist.  and like I just showed, we are pretty darn socialist.  you don't even know what socialism is, apparently.  why don't you quit while you are way behind?

homo daddy does not understand the definition of 'socialism', how sad....

This all very easy.....Hooty....OBVIOUSLY you are not happy with the way things run here in America...we're tenth in standard of living...remember?

So take any one of those countries and move your ungrateful ass there! How's that? That was easy enough....problem solved....we don't have to listen to your caterwauling about everything that's wrong with America and you'll be somewhere where they honor Negroes.....guffaw....right!

In American society today, socialist groups range in political views from the neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic and fascist groups such as the National Socialist Movement or NSM to the Socialist Party U.S.A.   Other socialist groups include the Democratic Socialists of America, National Alliance, Young Democrat Socialist, and the Democratic Progressive Party.

Prior to 1917, there was no actual example of a communist or socialist state. Socialism was an idea open to experiment and redefinition. After 1917, there was a concrete example of socialism in the world, and many individuals were put off by what they saw. Increasingly, party discipline, centralization of authority, and doctrinal rigidity were the values associated with socialism.

“Creeping socialism,” an expression used in modern times to describe America's so-called drift towards a socialistic society, was coined by author F.A. Hayek in his book The Road to Serfdom. Published in 1944, Hayek's book warned of the dangers of state control over the means of production, which he perceived to be occurring, especially in regards to the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA), during the New Deal and the Fair Deal administrations of presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman, respectively.

Excessive governmental controls on society did not deliver on their promises and that their ideology actually delivered dismal economic results. But more importantly it produces a psychological change in the character of the people in that man's desire to better himself is what drives him to succeed and also improves the way of life for those around him. Socialism strips man of his desire to succeed.

The national Democratic Party adopted a socialist agenda in the 1930s and socialist ideals influenced many Democrats from the 1960s through today and they regularly resort to socialist nostrums such as state regulation, state participation in the economy, and the expansion of the welfare state.

Socialism, with its emphasis on statism, socialization of the means of production, and equality through taxation, is at odds with the dominant values of American culture.   

Most American workers do not exhibit working-class solidarity or consciousness because they are attracted to the benefits of material prosperity and upward social mobility, and they correctly understand class solidarity to be an impediment to their prosperity and mobility...

now that was really funny....and so not truthful

fuck you, jackoff.  i am happy with the amount of socialism we have, except we should also have universal health care like the rest of the civilized world.  you and the other bitchy loons here bitch about our president non-stop, you assholes are the ones that should take off for another country since you can't seem to go 5 minutes without bitching about obama...

whore daddy is border line insane,so how do you expect his (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/afro.gif)ass to understand anything..
 
the only thing real to whore daddy is the love affair with obama that goes on in his head..

Socialism, with its emphasis on statism, socialization of the means of production, and equality through taxation, is at odds with the dominant values of American culture.

Our political culture centers on values of individualism and antistatism.    Libertarian political culture in the United States put the kibosh on immigrant, and middle-class alternative preferences for collectivist policy solutions and for parties advancing collectivism.

From colonial times to the turn of the twenty-first century, as Jonathan R. T. Hughes emphasizes in The Governmental Habit Redux (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0691042721/theindepeende-20) (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1991), redistributed wealth, state control, and constrained commerce, as opposed to political party developments, have been fruits of socialism in America.


Another determinant putatively encouraging the decline of socialism is the heterogeneity of the American working class. This is quite clearly an intervening variable—the outcome of “individualism,” in the authors’ parlance, or of commercial values.

Indeed, socialism is alive and well in America. Consider the consolidation of the welfare state by the Social Security Act; the undermining of free-labor markets by an ongoing series of statutes; the provision of health care for welfare recipients and the elderly through Medicaid and Medicare; the microregulation of business activity through the antitrust laws; the intrusive and costly environmental laws; and the massive spending on health, education, and various forms of welfare.

The question might be put: What difference does it make that socialist parties in the United States failed by the middle of the twentieth century if socialist policy, state regulation, and state enterprise flourished in the United States after 1930?

http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?a=129 (http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?a=129)

blah, blah, jerkwater.  we have plenty of socialist programs at the federal, state and local levels.  i referred to most of them in a previous post...how many of those vital public services do you think would do better if done by private, for profit, corporations whose focus is on the bottom line, and profits, rather than taking care of citizens and consumers?  private police?  you really want cities and states and the government to let private companies like blackwater have the authority of law and of POLICING THEMSELVES?

Hoosier, you are lumping all services into one header and calling it "Socialism". Any government must provide the servises of a government, such as common defense or a road system. The problem is that their are many, you appear to be one, that believe the government should provide all services that you may ever need. While government must do the functions of governement, they are not responsible for your individual needs. Consider this, governments duties include maintaining a currency, yet, they are not responsible to ensure you get as much of that currency as you want. You as a private citizen must do your part to provide for your currency needs. There may be times when the public interest is served by welfare, but for the most part, it isn't a function of government to provide for your every need. The greatest issue with socialism is that it impowers the government into dictatorship. Remember the recent failed Cash for Clunckers? Did you happen to notice that you could use the public money to purchase a vehicle of the government's choosing? While no law forbiding the ownership of large vehicles would stand as legal, the government was able to decide for people which cars or trucks they would be buying. In almost every area where the government claims to be assisting our needs, it is actually dictating what goods and services that we will be able to purchase. When they "Assist" in home ownership they are telling you which homes you may buy. While they assert that the funding is be made by the government, the government is recieving the money to fund from public funds. Look at the Obamacare law. While the government isn't even paying for the insurance, they dictate what coverage we will be buying. Because of government intrusion into the marketplace the prices always rise. Let the government buy those goods and services needed for maintaining government and stay out of the Big Brother business. Later I'll show you how the government is using tax code to regulate what the Constitution would never allow, even under the most liberal interpetations.

Consider the consolidation of the welfare state by the Social Security Act; the undermining of free-labor markets by an ongoing series of statutes; the provision of health care for welfare recipients and the elderly through Medicaid and Medicare; the microregulation of business activity through the antitrust laws; the intrusive and costly environmental laws; and the massive spending on health, education, and various forms of welfare.


 
I consider all of that to be among the reasons the US is a partially great country.
 
Take them away and you have fascism and feudalism, evil medieval style.
 
 

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions"
 
Guess who?

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions"
 
Guess who?

 
A patriotic American who understands that we didn't form a democratic republic just to turn it over to a wealthy elite minority to rule as they please?
 

Some would consider his socialist views as patriotic....

ROMNEY FOR 2012. SMARTER THAN PERRY, MORE LIKELY TO SEND JOBS AWAY FROM AMERICA.
 
LIKE HE DID TO MAKE HIS FORTUNE [with a lot of help from his inherited wealth].

LOL @ Liberals... (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/rolleyes.gif)

LOL @ stupid so-called "conservatives"

Liberals remind me of dingleberries. A small piece of feces clumped to hair around the anus.

A patriotic American who understands that we didn't form a democratic republic just to turn it over to a wealthy elite minority to rule as they please?

The quote does have an Obama like sound to it doesn't it? :)

Obama better start talking like a socialist to keep you guys from being too disappointed when history calls him just another moderate liberal capitalist.
 
 

The quote does have an Obama like sound to it doesn't it? (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/smiley.gif)
 
 
Identical...  (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/hattip.gif)

Peas in a pod sweetwater. Peas in a pod. :)

I agree with hoosier daddy & captain kook!
 
Marxist-socialism is the future!  Look at Cuba!  Look at the Democratic People's Republic of Korea under the Dear Leader Kim Jong-Il!  That's where we need to be!
 
http://www.thedailykos.com (http://www.thedailykos.com/) ......... http://www.MoveOn.org (http://www.moveon.org/) 

(http://swordattheready.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/recovergov.jpg?w=400)

Protest, and WIN, with Barack Obama in 2012!   

fuck you, jackoff. i am happy with the amount of socialism we have, except we should also have universal health care like the rest of the civilized world. you and the other bitchy loons here bitch about our president non-stop, you assholes are the ones that should take off for another country since you can't seem to go 5 minutes without bitching about obama...
 
FUCK YOU JACK!!! You did more complaining about Bush than the rest combined. You even complained about unemployment when it was at 6% now you are crying because your boy has his head so far up his ass that he thinks another stimulus, just like the first one but half the amount over half the time, will solve the problem and the people realize that he has no concept about how to LEAD us out of this!!!!!

People who embrace socialism are lazy sloths and too stupid to take care of themselves..they have no concept of what America is about, it was formed as a capitalist country, not socialistic, so if you don't like America as a country where you take care of yourselves then get out, especially you hyphenated asswipes..

Sure didn't take long for Hooser to turn this onto a racial issue.  As usual.
 
As for the Postal System and Navy, that really making a stretch on the concept of "Socialism".

Remember that luke the next time you cash in your socialist security check or go to get your pills and the bill goes to your socialist health care system.

I payed into SS more than I wiill ever get back and I have a plan for my own medications what few I take even though I payed into that as well...
 
That will never make me the socialist you are...

sorry JIM,
 
your original post is too "Intellectually Dishonest" to deserve a comment.
 
That dude's argument is so superfluous, it's a waste of time to discuss.
 
 
Hope calling your post intellectually dishonest - for ommitting so many details and facts - dosen't get me banned here.

Why should you be banned jw every board needs comedy,and you with sereval others do rather nicely..

Why should you be banned jw every board needs comedy,and you with sereval others do rather nicely..
 
 
He's doing what fools always do when in a tight corner. Make false accusations, hoping others will think its real. As when they see a statement they don't like but don't have a valid argument against it they will try to turn it to racism, or call you a racist.

Like when Hoosier calls me racist for being against Socialism, the same socialism he knows nothing about; when he should know their are at least twice as many whites on welfare than blacks. So, I guess I'm racist against whites.

Still, everytime I bring up socialism those on the Left get their panties in a ruffle and bring up social programs when that is not even part of the subject. When I refer to Socialism I am not talking about these little helpful programs, I am, and always have been talking about a Socialist Government. 
 
 
 

SWEETWATER, BY NOW YOU SHOULD HAVE REALIZED THAT POSTING INTELLIGENT FACTUAL POSTS SUCH AS YOURS IS TRULY "CASTING PEARLS BEFORE SWINE". WHAT DID YOU GET IN RESPONSE?, DID ANY ON THE LEFT ATTEMPT TO DEFEND THEIR POSITION WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN NAME CALLING AND JUVENILE BEHAVIOR? NOPE, IT'S ALL THEY HAVE TO FALL BACK ON. SAYING THAT THE MILITARY AND OTHER THINGS RUN BY THE GOVERNMENT ARE EVIDENCE OF SOCIALISM IS RIDICULOUS, THESE PROGRAMS ARE ARE RUN, AT LEAST  INDIRECTLY BY THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY. WE CAN ELECT PEOPLE WHO WILL CHANGE THESE PROGRAMS, ACTUALLY THE BEST EXAMPLE IS SOMETHING THE LEFT SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH, VIETNAM, THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY, MOVED BY A BIASED MEDIA "TURNED AGAINST THE WAR AND IT ENDED" THIS IS NOT AN EXAMPLE OF SOCIALISM, BUT A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF DEMOCRACY!!!!

Cuba has "universal health care," yet Americans are not taking their familes to Cuba on inner tubes lashed together.  Why is that?  If Socialism is the paradise its advocates make it out to be, why don't you see people from capitalist countries flocking to Socialist countries to live?
 
Maybe Socialism isn't so great afterall.

Remember that luke the next time you cash in your socialist security check or go to get your pills and the bill goes to your socialist health care system.
 
 
Those are retirement and insurance programs, that are paid for by the workers themselves. Not like HUD, where you just have a few bastard kids, and get free housing, Food Stamps, which are got by the same qualifying bastard kids, welfare checks, for spending cash...from the same qualifying criteria, free cell phones..same criteria. All of those gottne by not working, and forcing those who do work, to support your uneducated ass.
 
I doubt you can see the difference, though. Thinking isn't your strong suit.

Remember that luke the next time you cash in your socialist security check or go to get your pills and the bill goes to your socialist health care system.

Social Security is not a Socialist program.  I and everyone who receives Social Security has paid into it as an insurance for when we retire (if we need it) or if we become disabled and unable to work. Those who have not paid in, or get welfare and have not paid in, Thats Socialism.
 
Consider yourself duly educated to know the difference - there will be a test because it is doubtful you will retain this knowledge..
 
 

sorry JIM,
your original post is too "Intellectually Dishonest" to deserve a comment.
That dude's argument is so superfluous, it's a waste of time to discuss.

Translation:  Sorry Jim, I did not watch the video because it was way over my head. Besides, he's a racist because he disagree's with Socialism.
 
 
 

Johniel calling someone else "intellectually dishonest?"  Now THAT is ironic.