He brought War, division and hate. History will prove me correct. There has not been one day since his arrival that war has not been alive and well. Many of those war were in his name or he was proclaimed to be on " OUR" side.

WWW,

War was around long before Jesus showed up, dude...

What is your hang up with this shit?

Not all Christians are hateful warmongers...

Only some of the  Christian wannabes like what shows up on these boards spreading their shit for all to see.

You KNOW who you are...

Fuck the wannabes, WWW..

Don't trip...

Just go with the flow and stick to what you know...


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Allah is not Jesus.  Muslims always start wars or bring death in the name of Allah.
 
Also, Wars have been a part of history long before Jesus ever showed up. So your premise is wrong just on that basis alone. However,  if you insist on such a premise then it can be more accurately reasoned that since Jesus showed up: Agnostics, Secularists and Atheists have been in heavy conflict against any and all religions or beliefs, to the point of creating laws to either ban or heavily discourage such beliefs. The Romans slayed more Christians than Hitler did the Jews.
 
Nobody ever started a war in the name of Jesus or God. That does does not mean wars or conflicts have not erupted because others tried to force the removal of such beliefs or religion, or make laws against freedoms of religion.  In that case it would be Atheists or Secularists who start the war.
 
Sorry, but the changing history seems to have become a habit.
 
 

Not all Christians are hateful warmongers...

 Yes they are, because they feel Justified in using it to push their faith. Allah is not God, Nor jesus. The concept is not even the same. Get educated.

Nobody ever started a war in the name of Jesus or God.

 Wanna try again. I can name Popes that have.

 I can name a dozen world christian leaders that have gone to war for GOD and Country.

WWW,

No man, not all Christians are hate monger wannabes who use the name of their God to wage wars and hate...

Don't worry about them wannabes, man.

The WILL get their comeuppence in the end.

Peace! Out!

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 Wars have been a part of history long before Jesus ever showed up.


 Jesus was supposed to bring salvation and peace. He did NOT. He brought more reason for hate and war, then sends you to hell for killing. Stupid religions. If jesus had not been accepted as the messiah, which he never claimed, Mohammad would have never founded  Islam. You want to end war, End religions.

Listen to the pulpit scream that Muslim/Islam is Satan, Evil, etc. and tell me they are not War Mongering and have been since before the Crusades. What drives them to make such heinous claims, GOD and the pursuit of the extension of their religion! main complint in the Middle east has been our meddling in their affairs, you know who the meddlers were? MISSIONARIRS trying to Convert them to Christianity. How many time has the Government had to go in and RESCUE Missionaries from Hostiles? Plenty.

http://www.youtube.com/v/2EhFOnsVqbs

The fact remains Atheists are history's most prolific mass murderers!
 
Christians are complete amatures in comparison!

The fact remains Atheists are history's most prolific mass murderers!

That is Not a FACT.

Oh yes it is!
 
Look up the people killed by Atheists like Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc.!
 
They currently hold the world record by a vast number although the Muslims are working hard to take the lead!

http://www.youtube.com/v/tXx9HZTE8_o&feature=related

A recent comprehensive compilation of the history of human warfare, Encyclopedia of Wars by Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod documents 1763 wars, of which 123 have been classified to involve a religious conflict. So, what atheists have considered to be "most" really amounts to less than 7% of all wars. It is interesting to note that 66 of these wars (more than 50%) involved Islam, which did not even exist as a religion for the first 3,000 years of recorded human warfare.

If atheists are correct, the most religious industrial nation, the United States of America, should be involved in more religious wars than any other country. However, only the "War on Terror," among all 17 American wars, involves a religious component.

Look up the people killed by Atheists like Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc

And who told you they were all atheists or killed to spread their belief. How lame. Anyone that does not believe in YOUR GOD is an Atheist no doubt. Your comments are irrelevant.

It is a well known fact they were all atheists and killed to spread their belief there should be no religion allowed just as American Atheists are doing here!

I don't believe such nonsense either Beavis..

Some people will say anything to avoid the truth of the matter and 'attempt' to justify their story..

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What "story" LRW?

Look up the people killed by Atheists like Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc
 
 
They were not religious or Christian.  Irreligious perhaps?

Hitler was a christian who hated atheists and secularism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_views


Statements against atheismHitler often associated atheism with Germany's communist enemy.[50] Hitler stated in a speech to the Stuttgart February 15, 1933: "Today they say that Christianity is in danger, that the Catholic faith is threatened. My reply to them is: for the time being, Christians and not international atheists are now standing at Germany’s fore. I am not merely talking about Christianity; I confess that I will never ally myself with the parties which aim to destroy Christianity. Fourteen years they have gone arm in arm with atheism. At no time was greater damage ever done to Christianity than in those years when the Christian parties ruled side by side with those who denied the very existence of God. Germany's entire cultural life was shattered and contaminated in this period. It shall be our task to burn out these manifestations of degeneracy in literature, theater, schools, and the press—that is, in our entire culture—and to eliminate the poison which has been permeating every facet of our lives for these past fourteen years."[51]

In a radio address October 14, 1933 Hitler stated "For eight months we have been waging a heroic battle against the Communist threat to our Volk, the decomposition of our culture, the subversion of our art, and the poisoning of our public morality. We have put an end to denial of God and abuse of religion. We owe Providence humble gratitude for not allowing us to lose our battle against the misery of unemployment and for the salvation of the German peasant."[52]

In a speech delivered in Berlin, October 24, 1933, Hitler stated: "We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."[53]

In a speech delivered at Koblenz, August 26, 1934 Hitler states: "There may have been a time when even parties founded on the ecclesiastical basis were a necessity. At that time Liberalism was opposed to the Church, while Marxism was anti-religious. But that time is past. National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary, it stands on the ground of a real Christianity. The Church's interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against the Bolshevist culture, against an atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and disunion between the classes, for the conquest of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord. These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles."[54]

During negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of April 26, 1933 Hitler argued that "Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from

Proof Darkflower!
 
Don't say he was Catholic in his youth as that has no bearing on his actions as an adult!

Hitler hated Christianity because it was founded by Jews.
 
In Hitler’s words “the heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity” (Hitler, 1953, p. 6).  The Jesuits were “swine,” and all of Christianity was “Jewish Christianity” which was comparable with “Jewish Bolshevism.”  Hitler concluded that both were evil and both had to be destroyed (Kershaw, 2000, pp. 330, 488).  His reasoning was based on his belief that Christianity was an “illegitimate” Jewish child and, as a Jewish child, was swine like its parent that must be eradicated.  Hitler considered Christianity the “invention of the Jew Saul” (Azar, 1990, p. 154).
 
 

That is totally contradicted by what he actually wrote and said in public, not just somewhat but completely.

Many bought Hitler's public propaganda speeches.   

Wanna try again. I can name Popes that have.

 I can name a dozen world christian leaders that have gone to war for GOD and Country.
 
 
Then by all means do so.  People who claim they can do something spectacular but don't, generally can't in the first place.
 
Name them!
 
 
 

Pick a Pope

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

As for the Leaders claim, that is Obviously Every Leader that is Leader of a Christian nation.

Crusades ring any bells? The inquisitions? The conquistador wars and slaughter of native Americans? How about the phrase "for god and country" I mean come on, the claim that nobody ever went to war in god's name is total bullshit. Heck, Britain had a few civil wars specifically over religion and that led directly to many deciding to colonize America to get away from it.

Darkflower, the Crusades were prompted by the Islamist invasion of the holy land and denial of all non-Muslims access to holy sites!
 
The Conquistadors were acting on behalf of greed not religion!
 
Britain religious wars were the result of a monarch refusing to have just one wife!
 
Any more BS distractions you wish to spew forth Darkflower?

Any more bs spin you want to throw out there? Give me a break already. You would try to argue the sky is not blue if it fit your agenda. I am interested in facts, not pointless spin-offs.

And I am not going to let that stand. I gave obvious facts, you give bs distractions. This point is not even debatable yet you try to debate it. You are given examples and you say derr, that don't get. Well derr, yes it does.

the Crusades were prompted by the Islamist invasion of the holy land and denial of all non-Muslims access to holy sites
 
 
That is true but the Crusades were about Islamic forced expansion and brutality than Jesus.   Jesus did not force His religion on others, Mohammed did.  That is historical fact.

Jesus was dead. The popes and many others forced christianity on people for him. If he disagrees with their doing it then he really has a bizarre way of showing or rather not showing it. Two thousand years and not a peep of protest from him. His silence is deafening.

Jesus did not come to bring salvation and peace
 
 
That is the assertion...
 
 
We all know many Mohammed followers have been at war for a global caliph since Mohammed began his reign of terror.  Christians were persecuted after Jesus, Muslims persevuted others after Jesus and still do to this day.  Islam needs reform but many decient Muslims still fear those who follow strict Islamic doctrine from the 7th Century.   
 
 
 

jim says, "Muslims always start wars or bring death in the name of Allah"

yeah, those devious Muslims started the Crusades too (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/huh.gif)

Yes!
 
They did start the Crusades by invading the holy land and stopping religious pilgrims visiting!

Okay, I WILL conceed that the Catholic church DID indeed declare war during the Inquisition.. or what some like to refer to as "The Burning Times."


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jim says, "Allah is not Jesus.  Muslims always start wars or bring death in the name of Allah"

jim, you are obviously a Christian. Maybe you could clear this up for me:

Most prayers seem to end, "Not my will, but Thine be done" .

Why pray? (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/huh.gif)

Don't forget the Inquisition started out of fear of a return of the Islamic terror the Caliphate!
 
The Spanish were terrified of their return!
 
Even today the Islamofascists perpetrate acts of terrorism against the Spanish people!
 
Remember the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood is the return of the Caliphate!
 
 

jim says, "Nobody ever started a war in the name of Jesus or God"

How did you graduate with taking a world history course? (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/huh.gif)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Age-of-caliphs.png/800px-Age-of-caliphs.png) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Age-of-caliphs.png)

The Crusades were started after the Muslim invasion of the holyland an invasion that resulted in the denial of access to pilgrims of religions other than Islam!
 
How many times does your ignorance have to be told this?

"Don't forget the Inquisition started out of fear of a return of the Islamic terror the Caliphate!
 
The Spanish were terrified of their return!
 
Even today the Islamofascists perpetrate acts of terrorism against the Spanish people!
 
Remember the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood is the return of the Caliphate!"    *d2duh*


BULLSHIT, d2duh... It was The Catholic Church's abuse of power to convert those who were not loyal to the pope and the Catholic church...

Nothing to do with the fear of the Islamic terror the Caliphate.....

The church's bid for power over the people.. That was ALL it was...

The Inquisition was nothing more than a bloody war on the people it was suppose to be guiding and protecting...

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jim says, "Nobody ever started a war in the name of Jesus or God"

How did you graduate with taking a world history course? (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/huh.gif)

 
Colfax, do you know the difference between starting a war, as opposed to responding to a war and fighting a war that was started against you?
 
Do you know what I mean when I say: "Nobody ever started a war in the name of Jesus or God", as opposed to being Christian and responding to a war launched against you and your beliefs?  Christians do not kill people because they are not Christian. Muslims do.
 
btw: Don't miscontrue protestans and catholics fighting IN THE NAME of God. They are not. They fought because of differening beliefs between their sects.
 
I graduated just fine - obviously. : -)
 
 

Inquisitions,  Crusades, and Secularism.

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Religion Deaths
Crusades
There were an estimated 17 separate Crusades.  They were Christian Crusades,  Muslim Crusades, some were merchant based, and some were against Muslim Pirates.  The Crusades caused an estimated 1 million deaths over the Hundreds of years they took place.
   
Spanish_Inquisition
During the period between 1540 and 1700 a total of 87,000 court cases (Inquisitions) took place. Of those 87,000 cases that took place in the 160 year period a total of 1080 people were executed.   This averages to about 6.5 deaths per year.

Of ALL Inquisitions in the 500 years in which Inquisitions can be said to have taken place (including the above Spanish Inquisitions), between all caused an estimated 6,000 deaths. 
   
This is about equal to the number of war related deaths that have occurred in Afghanistan and Iraq in the first two 2 years since the US responded to 9/11.
   
Total estimate Deaths:  1 Million 6 Thousand

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Deaths by Non-Religion or for Socialist or Communist philsophy/Agenda:
 
Mao Zedong:   Ruled from 1949 to 1976, is credited to have caused the deaths of 40 to 70 million people.

Joseph Stalin:   from 1922 until his death in 1953, historians suggest a total of 20 million, from famine, Gulags, torture, and executions.

Vladimir Lenin:   (1917–1924) 6 to 8 million people died under Lenin from war, famine etc.

Adolf Hitler:   25 Million. 6 Million of those were Jews.

Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia, 1936; Yugoslavia, WWII):    400,000

Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-1994):     Between 600,000 and one million North Koreans needlessly starved to death

Genghis Khan (1206-1227):   40 million

Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979):      300,000

Mengistu (Ethiopia, 1974-1991):   100,000

Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994): 800,000

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-1979):    1.5 million are worked or starved to death, die of disease or exposure, or are summarily executed   

Suharto (East Timor, West Papua, Communists, 1966-98):   2 million

Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-1944):    8 million civilians in China, Korea, Philippines, Indochina

  Total estimate Deaths:  164 Million to 196 Million


Most of these death were by starving, beatings, knives, machetes. Not through modern weaponry.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition)
http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/inquisition.htm (http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/inquisition.htm)
http://askville.amazon.com/people-killed-Inquisition/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=3878676 (http://askville.amazon.com/people-killed-Inquisition/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=3878676)
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm)

 

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Jim, it wasn't ONLY the Spanish who were a part of the "Inquisition," or the "Burning Times." All over Europe millions of people were tortured and killed.


Ldy R.* 

Christians and NON Christians alike were tortured and killed during the Inquisition...

The exact number may never be known, but the several million total has been confirmed.


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Hitler was a Christian
 
 
Hitler hated Christianity as a spawn of the evil Jews.  That has been documented.

There you go, again!
 
Most Atheists had a religion in their childhood because adults made their choices for them!
 
As adults not only did they choose Atheism but also forced millions to do the same!
 
 

Most Atheists had a religion in their childhood because adults made their choices for them

That is an OPINION and carries NO WEIGHT.

Proven Fact, Atheists are Smarter and better educated that God worshipers.

Then you are saying Albert Einstien was an idiot?

 
He was a Savant .

Atheism does not provide a greater intelligence than belief in a religion.

Hitler was an atheist, Stalin was an atheist, Lenin was an atheist, Mao was an atheist, all brilliant and influential in their own way.  They eschewed religion as they rose to power.  But their atheism wasn't the source or catalyst for their achievements.

BTW, a Crusade was lead against my ancestors in Eastern Europe.  All Crusades weren't against Islam, nor were the Crusades fought with only bloodthirsty soldiers: there were many noble and honorable men and women.

They were all smart enough to get to an ultimate leadership position, I would say your argument is weak.

There are many sons of bitches who get to positions of power.  Their faith or lack of faith has no bearing.

Although lack of faith causes them to place ever more faith in unchecked government!
 
No one can name an Atheist who favored limited government!

I don't think anyone cares.

 After 2000 years of history to rely on , I think the Gnostic had it correct. The Christian God is an Evil God.

Then you are an idiot!
 
Atheism is evil!
 
It is responsible for the greatest loss of life in world history!

In AD 1209, the entire population of the Albigens was slaughtered at the order of Pope Innocent III. The Albigens, in the south of France, was then the most populous, the most technically, socially, and economically advanced part of Europe. Its population was largely Gnostics and Arian Christians, and were a sanctuary for Jews who were persecuted almost everywhere else in Europe. All of these groups had a high percentage of literacy and read the Bible, which was prohibited by the Vatican.

Many Gnostic groups shared with Christians a rejection of Laws of Moses and salvation by works; a belief that other beings created the material world; the shared belief of a divine mediator between God and man; and finally the belief that nothing "worldly" is of any importance. Only faith in or knowledge of this divine mediator (1 Tim 2:5), would lead one to salvation and eternal life.

Gnosticism envisaged the world as a series of emanations from the highest "One", that produced a series of emanations. The lowest emanation was an evil god (the demiurge) who created the material world as a prison for the divine sparks that dwell in human bodies. The Gnostics identified this evil creator with the God of the Old Testament, and saw the Adam/Eve and the ministry of Jesus as attempts to liberate humanity from his dominion, by imparting divine secret wisdom. Gnostics like Christians take an allegorical view of the Old Testament.

Gnosticism is not a defined religion as such, but often a theological dumping ground for "heresies" as defined by the official Christian Church. It was a process of denial and murder dating back to the time of Constantine and Nicaea in 325 AD. In my view Christianity is more Gnosticism than Judaism and an attempt to combine two related, but opposing systems of theology and thought.

Gnosticism differs from "official" Christianity in two important respects: 1) Gnostics believed the material world was created as evil and corrupted, and 2) Jesus was a spirit, not actual flash. Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit in both Gnosticism and Christianity, but in Gnosticism the Holy Spirit was the "feminine" or female aspect of God. Thus the Holy Spirit was the true "mother" of Jesus.


cont @

http://www.sullivan-county.com/id2/gnosticism.htm (http://www.sullivan-county.com/id2/gnosticism.htm)

The Vatican never forbade reading the Bible.  It did forbid individual interpretation.

 
OMG, Who gave this dude JUDGMENT OF EVIL powers. Atheists are better educated and clearly more civil than yourself.
Labeling things Evil is so typical of Fundamentalist mindset. Men far smarter and more intimately involved in the origins of the religion saw it differently, You are closed minded obviously.

Really?
 
Communism is an atheists invention and has murdered hundreds of millions of people in less than one century!
 
Not via war but by death camps and intentional mass starvation!
 
Atheism is cruel and despotic when it gains unchecked power!
 
I can think of nothing more evil than starving hundreds of millions of people to death with malice afore thought!

 
 I can think of a God that beleives that humans multiply too fast and are in need of population control. So sends those Angels to do his bidding. You have nothing to prove anything different, only an UNKNOWING second guessing the mind of your GOD. That counts for Zero, your ego.

Name him!
 
You cannot alter the fact Atheism has taken more lives than all religion combined!

Christian's are pretty smart people, we just don't have tell everybody how smart we are.
 
And btw, Christians don't start wars, they end wars....

 

 You mean personify him so you can comprehend him. Shows the smallness and weakness of your case. Altering facts is for those that have no facts, LIKE YOU.


And btw, Christians don't start wars, they end wars....

 Spoken like a true Christian with absolutely nothing to back him up. That is Rubbish just viewing our limited history.

Lil llukey is more well known for pompacity, ignorance, bigotry, hatred, half truths, lies, inuendos and bullshit rather than anything close to facts..


THAT is why lil llukey was outed long ago as nothinig more than the worst kind of troll...


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Since your comment is nothing more than a personal attack, Troll is a word I would use for you, not him.

If Jesus was the messiah, God is a Failure for thinking that he could send someone to convince 12 people he was a Good Guy, and that the world should bow down and worship him. Looks to me that he is on his way out the door as a Believable entity. He was sent to save the world and then GOD sent those people that D2 calls EVIL. I see no GOD happenings that can be Proven in the last 2000 years, has he deflected any Meteors, kept the Sun steady and the right Temperature. God works in Mysterious ways and the Devil is the Great deceiver, Beings incomprehensible to the Human mind and these idiots are trying to tell everyone they KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT IT Who is WHO in their dreams . OMG no wonder they kill instead of Question.

Every cell in your Body came from a Super Nova. You want GOD, There is your Creator, go worship the sun that gave you what you are. A Thick headed fantasy believer.

EVIL is a key word for "THEY DESERVE TO DIE". Those are HATE and WAR Words and Prove the posters claim.

Maybe it was your OLD Testament God that created those Atheists. Has your Devil God  got the power to create Humans?? We are all Born Heathen Atheists til our little mushy brain is filled with Mommy and Daddies mystical solutions for the fears of death.


 Which one of the three Gods of yours do you believe in??

1 The Kind and merciful GOD, that will condemn you to hell FOREVER for an offense in the Very very very short life span you spend on this rock in the middle of NOWHERE. The one that takes 40 days to chisel 10 commandments in to tablets??

2 DEVIL GOD , that will gleefully accept you for that slip up, his army will be the Biggest in the END. Thank YOUR God for that.

3 Spiteful and Vengeful God, of the old testament that will strike you down with a bolt of lightning for fun.

You cannot alter the fact Atheism has taken more lives than all religions combined!

You want a Fact.

 Your God created those Atheists, D2. If you believe all men are created equal , in the image of God and God within them when they were Born.

Yes, God created man but Atheists turned their backs on God choosing instead the worship of man!
 
That worship leads to mass murder as the last century so ably demonstrates!

God gave man a choice, it's not His fault you're too ignorant to make the right one..it's not because you haven't been told, it is because you reject it from ignorance and your own belief you know more than everyone else..
Tell us again how smart you are, the story never gets old..
Jesus came to save the world, not condem it, but when he comes back it will be to make things right you heathens have messed up..

Your God created those Atheists
 
No, God created free will. Your own free will creates the Atheism in you.
 
 
What would it take to make you believe in God?  (check this out)
http://www.prageruniversity.com/Religious-Studies/What-Would-Make-You-Believe-in-God.html (http://www.prageruniversity.com/Religious-Studies/What-Would-Make-You-Believe-in-God.html)

Wasn't that many years ago that Blacks were judged not to have souls, justifying Slavery. Witches were burned at the stake, Heretics slaughtered, ask a Templar, civilizations Books burned all by Christians of the highest order. You make up your rules to fit your needs, go to confession, et al, to clean your guilty mind then go do it again because you think you can say your sorry at the last moment. Hypocrisy that you never admit. So it appears that through you , he has only brought Slavery, Hate and War against all that you call EVIL with FREE WILL and YOUR God approves. I think you have made a mockery of your faith.

Jesus came to fulfill the Law.

...every knee shall bow..and tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

: ` ) `
http://www.youtube.com/v/DKk9rv2hUfA&feature=related

If someone was crucified in the manner of the Romans, death need not be faked.  It was the real thing, a painful death.

You are BORN an ATHEIST till Baptized
 
Really?  Does that mean I was born a rabbit until I realize I am human?
 
 
I believe GOD is a bit tougher to understand than you can comprehend,
 
"I believe GOD."      That wasn't all that hard to say, was it.
 
 
 
 

 

Were you there Charley??

 
I recall in grade school our history books claimed christians and slaves were sometimes killed by pouring melted lead down their throats, not to mention the "sport" of seeing how long a christian or slave could outrun a hungry lion.
 
But that was a time when our history books were not afraid to reveal what was likely the true history of the world.
 
 

Beavis, do you seriously believe that Roman crucifixion was a quick, painless and temporary punishment?

If you think so, you have some serious studying to do.

If true what is your purpose?

True Roman crucifixion was nailing (sometimes rope binding) through the wrists and upper instep, not the palms.  The person was unable to slouch or stand on a small platform.  It was agonizing.

And, I agree that the common depiction of nailing through the palms is incorrect.

When I grew up there was Purgatory, No meat on Friday, and Idolatry in the faith.

Now Purgatory is no more and eating Fish on Friday is Good for your health but meat is not forbidden, well two out of three isn't bad.

The more you bother to learn the more there is to question.

To what end?
 
According to Atheism your born and you die with nothing before and nothing after!
 
What is the point?
 
What is your purpose?
 
According to Atheism the universe is all happenstance!
 
 

The Index Librorum Prohibitorum ("List of Prohibited Books") became obsolete in 1966 and is no longer considered a mandate not to read certain writings.

If that were true, there would be no Catholic schools, colleges and universities.

Why are Atheists going to ban religious schools, colleges and universities?

Once you read, understand and believe John 3:16 everything else you need to know will be opened up to you and you won't have to guess and speculate about the future..
 
Eternity is a long time to be tormented in the presence of only evil...