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Title: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: D2D on 12 01, 21, 07:49:06:PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/wYiN0y29gEM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYiN0y29gEM)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYiN0y29gEM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYiN0y29gEM)

Full video:  https://www.theepochtimes.com/dr-harvey-risch-hydroxychloroquine-ivermectin-and-other-therapeutics-highly-effective-in-early-covid-treatment_4131804.html

Don't let YouTube dictate your thinking or lack thereof!

https://earlycovidcare.org/


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: Dan on 12 01, 21, 07:54:26:PM
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Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!

Indeed.  But the Vaccine Cultists want you to believe the vaccine is the ONLY solution.


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: D2D on 12 01, 21, 07:55:40:PM
Yep, the vaccine that neither prevents infection nor transmission!


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: wvit1001 on 12 01, 21, 07:56:11:PM
In May 2020, the Journal published an opinion piece by a member of the Editorial Board, in which the author reviewed several papers and argued that using hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) + azithromycin (AZ) early to treat symptomatic coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) cases in high-risk patients should be broadly applied.

As members of the Journal’s Editorial Board, we are strongly supportive of open debate in science, which is essential even on highly contentious issues. However, we must also be thorough in our examination of the facts and open to changing our minds when new information arises. In this commentary, we document several important errors in the manuscript, review the literature presented, and demonstrate why it is not of sufficient quality to support scale up of HCQ + AZ, and then discuss the literature that has been generated since the publication, which also does not support use of this therapy. Unfortunately, the current scientific evidence does not support HCQ + AZ as an effective treatment for COVID-19, if it ever did, and even suggests many risks. Continuing to push the view that it is an essential treatment in the face of this evidence is irresponsible and harmful to the many people already suffering from infection.


https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/190/4/491/5898696


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: Dan on 12 01, 21, 08:04:14:PM
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Yep, the vaccine that neither prevents infection nor transmission!
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Exactly.  Even if 100% were vaccinated, the transmission rate would remain the same, as the data shows there is no difference in transmission rates between vaxxed and unvaxxed.


So it's a disingenuous claim to say that vaccination is the path towards ending the pandemic.


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: wvit1001 on 12 01, 21, 08:05:51:PM
is all that just more of your baseless opinion dan?


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: Dan on 12 01, 21, 08:12:13:PM
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the vaccine that neither prevents infection nor transmission!
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Yep.  That's what the data shows.  There is no difference in transmission between vaxxed and unvaxxed.  So there is zero logic in vaccine mandates as a tool to protect others.  The vaccine protects ONLY the person vaccinated.  And even then it only mitigates symptoms.  It does not affect ability to get infected or transmit the virus.


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: Dan on 12 01, 21, 08:13:24:PM
The vaccines are no more effective in preventing infection than face masks.  Neither one prevents infection according to the science.


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: wvit1001 on 12 01, 21, 08:14:14:PM
troll'n old dannyjim is a troll'n.

nothing but baseless opinions and bullshit.

remember dan - WWJD


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: D2D on 12 01, 21, 08:17:30:PM
Pay particular attention to the 45 to 47 minute mark!


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: D2D on 12 01, 21, 08:19:38:PM
In May 2020, the Journal published an opinion piece by a member of the Editorial Board, in which the author reviewed several papers and argued that using hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) + azithromycin (AZ) early to treat symptomatic coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) cases in high-risk patients should be broadly applied.

As members of the Journal’s Editorial Board, we are strongly supportive of open debate in science, which is essential even on highly contentious issues. However, we must also be thorough in our examination of the facts and open to changing our minds when new information arises. In this commentary, we document several important errors in the manuscript, review the literature presented, and demonstrate why it is not of sufficient quality to support scale up of HCQ + AZ, and then discuss the literature that has been generated since the publication, which also does not support use of this therapy. Unfortunately, the current scientific evidence does not support HCQ + AZ as an effective treatment for COVID-19, if it ever did, and even suggests many risks. Continuing to push the view that it is an essential treatment in the face of this evidence is irresponsible and harmful to the many people already suffering from infection.


https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/190/4/491/5898696
Yet, they show no proof to back up their opinions!

Now, why do you suppose that is?

No such proof exists!


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: wvit1001 on 12 01, 21, 08:22:05:PM
Yet they do provide plenty of evidence zippy.


here's just one example of their evidence.   there are lots of other examples in their paper.




In May 2020, around the time of Dr. Risch’s comment, a report of an RCT was published in which researchers did compare HCQ (not with AZ) with the standard of care in adults in China (18). These were hospitalized patients, but almost all (n = 148 of 150) had mild to moderate coronavirus infection and the outcome was negative conversion between 2 and 28 days. Perhaps a small benefit was seen, but with very poor precision (risk difference, 4.1%; 95% confidence interval (CI): –10.3%, 18.5%; the authors concluded no benefit on the basis of the P value) (18). Dr. Risch has argued that we cannot use studies in which HCQ and AZ were not used as evidence and, as noted, this study in China did not include AZ. However, the study findings do provide more evidence against any large benefits such as those seen in the Gautret et al. (3) study. A similar result was found in a trial of HCQ (again, not with AZ), by Skipper et al. (19), of 423 adult outpatients in the United States with early, mild disease, 341 of whom had laboratory-confirmed infection. The authors found very little difference in symptom severity compared with placebo at day 14 (–0.27 points; 95% CI: –0.61, 0.07 on a 10-point scale). In a third trial of HCQ alone in Spain of early treatment among 293 patients with mild disease, authors Mitjà et al. (20) found no differences in mean reduction of viral load at day 3. There was some reduction in risk of hospitalization (risk ratio = 0.75; 95% CI: 0.32, 1.77), but the authors concluded no difference on the basis of the lack of significance.


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: wvit1001 on 12 01, 21, 08:23:33:PM
CONCLUSION

We believe that Dr. Risch’s summary of the evidence in May 2020 (1) contained factual errors, and that the evidence presented, even at the time of publication, was weak at best. Since then, stronger evidence has demonstrated no benefit for early HCQ + AZ treatment of high-risk patients with mild COVID-19.

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https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/190/4/491/5898696


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: D2D on 12 01, 21, 08:30:15:PM
CONCLUSION

We believe that Dr. Risch’s summary of the evidence in May 2020 (1) contained factual errors, and that the evidence presented, even at the time of publication, was weak at best. Since then, stronger evidence has demonstrated no benefit for early HCQ + AZ treatment of high-risk patients with mild COVID-19.

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https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/190/4/491/5898696

Believe not can prove!


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: wvit1001 on 12 01, 21, 08:40:59:PM
evidently you don't understand science and how it's done zippyjimmmybooobboo.   all you can do is troll.


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: D2D on 12 01, 21, 08:49:22:PM
CCPWvit insists science involves belief, not observation and testing!


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: Dan on 12 01, 21, 08:56:21:PM
Yep, the science shows conclusively that the vaccines do nothing to prevent infection.  They only mitigate symptoms.


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: Truman62 on 12 01, 21, 09:00:29:PM
Risch is in the early stages of dementia and needs to retire.

Unfortunately he's going to get THOUSANDS, if not MILLIONS, of people killed with his nonsense, before he does retire.


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: D2D on 12 01, 21, 09:13:41:PM
Risch is in the early stages of dementia and needs to retire.
Have you no ethics whatsoever?  Provide proof!
Unfortunately he's going to get THOUSANDS, if not MILLIONS, of people killed with his nonsense, before he does retire.
Proof, Please!  Quotes and links, please!  By proof, I mean actual scientific research, not leftist propaganda!


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: Dan on 12 01, 21, 09:35:35:PM
There is no public Health justification for the vax mandate when the vax doesn’t prevent infection.


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: Truman62 on 12 01, 21, 09:42:47:PM
Why?  You NEVER provide proof of anything.

PROVE me wrong.


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: fun n games on 12 02, 21, 03:49:59:AM
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Dan only speaks out of his ass.









Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: D2D on 12 02, 21, 06:06:04:AM
Says rectal tongue!


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: D2D on 12 02, 21, 09:58:54:PM
Truman once again proves himself a compulsive liar!


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: D2D on 12 03, 21, 12:09:06:PM
Democrats admit it is so!


Title: Re: Therapeutics Highly Effective in Early COVID Treatment!
Post by: Dan on 12 03, 21, 12:15:36:PM
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Dan only speaks out of his ass
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If by “ass,” you mean scientific studies, then yeah. (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/hattip.gif)