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Title: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: ttopcat on 10 03, 10, 09:02:39:PM
....Dilma Rousseff.... Obama will be the first to call ,and congratulate her if she wins.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/01/rousseff-brazil-presidential-election (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/01/rousseff-brazil-presidential-election)


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 09:05:41:PM
Are you objecting to democracy? You do know that Lula is a long time socialist dont you?


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Dardmex on 10 03, 10, 09:10:55:PM
But is she as good as Hugo Chavez?  That's my only concern.
 
http://www.dailykos.com (http://www.dailykos.com)  (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/richedit/smileys/YahooIM/106.gif)  http://www.MoveOn.org (http://www.MoveOn.org)


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 09:13:16:PM
"Dilma Vana Rousseff (born December 14, 1947) is a Brazilian economist (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Economist) and politician (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Politician) affiliated with the Workers' Party (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Workers%27_Party_(Brazil)) (PT). She was appointed Chief of Staff (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Chief_of_Staff_of_Brazil) by President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Luiz_In%C3%A1cio_Lula_da_Silva) in June 2005,
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becoming the first female to assume the position. Rousseff is currently Lula's designated successor and the leading presidential candidate in the
Brazilian 2010 elections (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Brazilian_presidential_election,_2010).
The daughter of a Bulgarian (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Bulgarian_people) immigrant and a school teacher, Rousseff was raised in an upper middle class (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Upper_middle_class) household in Belo Horizonte (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Belo_Horizonte).
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She became a
socialist (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Socialism) during her youth, and following the 1964 coup d'état (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/1964_Brazilian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat) joined left-wing (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Left-wing_politics) urban guerrilla (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Urban_guerrilla_warfare) groups that fought against the military dictatorship (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Military_dictatorship_(Brazil)). Rousseff was captured and jailed between 1970 and 1972 and reportedly tortured.
After her release, Rousseff rebuilt her life in Rio Grande do Sul (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Rio_Grande_do_Sul) with Carlos Araújo, who would be her partner for 30 years. Both helped found the Democratic Labour Party (PDT) in the state, participating in several of the party's electoral campaigns. She became the Secretary of the Treasury of Porto Alegre during the Alceu Collares administration, and later the Secretary of Energy of Rio Grande do Sul under both Collares and Olívio Dutra (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Ol%C3%ADvio_Dutra) administrations. In 2000, after an internal dispute in the Dutra cabinet, she left PDT and joined PT. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilma_Rousseff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilma_Rousseff)

She fought against a militray dictatorship that tortured her, now perhaps she is being elected to the presidency, she's a heroine. A bit better than who  she fought against dont you think?


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: ttopcat on 10 03, 10, 09:16:39:PM
Oh lord!Do you know the difference in a democracy,and a marxist government.


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 09:19:35:PM
I do know that in a democracy leaders are elected, do you object to that? Or does it onlya pply when someone you like is elected?


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 09:28:46:PM
What I do know is that this woman bravely fought agaisnt a military dicatorship and was jailed and trotured for it, is that democracy?
 
I also know that she has run for president under a constitutional democracy and is apparently winning in the polls according to the democratic process, as her predecessor did, and you object to that?
 
Do you believe in democracy or not?


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 09:32:29:PM
"The Brazilian Federation is the "indissoluble union" of three distinct political entities: the States, the Municipalities and the Federal District.
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The Union, the states and the Federal District, and the municipalities, are the "spheres of government". The Federation is set on five fundamental principles:
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sovereignty (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Sovereignty), citizenship (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Citizenship), dignity (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Dignity) of human beings, the social values of labour and freedom of enterprise, and political pluralism (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Pluralism_(political_philosophy)). The classic tripartite branches of government (executive (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Executive_(government)), legislative (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Legislature), and judicial (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Judiciary) under the checks and balances (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Separation_of_powers) system), is formally established by the Constitution.
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The executive and legislative are organized independently in all three spheres of government, while the judiciary is organized only at the federal and state/Federal District spheres.

All members of the executive and legislative branches are directly elected. Judges and other judicial officials are appointed after passing entry exams.
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Voting is compulsory for the literate between 18 and 70 years old and optional for illiterates and those between 16 and 18 or beyond 70
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Together with several smaller parties, four political parties stand out: Workers' Party (PT),
Brazilian Social Democracy Party (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Brazilian_Social_Democratic_Party) (PSDB), Brazilian Democratic Movement Party (PMDB), and Democrats (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Democrats_(Brazil)) (DEM). Almost all governmental and administrative functions are exercised by authorities and agencies affiliated to the Executive.
The form of government is that of a democratic (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Democracy) republic, with a presidential system (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Presidential_system). The president is both head of state (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Head_of_state) and head of government (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Head_of_government) of the Union and is elected (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Elected) for a four-year term, with the possibility of re-election for a second successive term. The current president is Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva who was elected on October 27, 2002, and re-elected on October 29, 2006. The President appoints the Ministers of State (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Minister_of_State), who assist in government. Legislative houses in each political entity are the main source of law in Brazil. The National Congress (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/National_Congress_of_Brazil) is the Federation's bicameral legislature, consisting of the Chamber of Deputies (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Chamber_of_Deputies_of_Brazil) and the Federal Senate (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/wiki/Senate_of_Brazil). Judiciary authorities exercise jurisdictional duties almost exclusively.
Fifteen political parties are represented in Congress. It is common for politicians to switch parties, and thus the proportion of congressional seats held by particular parties changes regularly. The largest political parties are the Workers' Party (PT), Democrats (DEM), Brazilian Democratic Movement Party (PMDB-center), Brazilian Social Democratic Party (PSDB), Progressive Party (PP), Brazilian Labor Party (PTB), Liberal Party (PL), Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB), Popular Socialist Party (PPS), Democratic Labor Party (PDT), and the Communist Party of Brazil (PCdoB)."
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil)

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Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Oz on 10 03, 10, 09:39:47:PM
Yes, Obama will establish a working relationship with whoever wins.  That's a good thing.


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 09:43:41:PM
The United states further should encourage democracy where we can, especially in our own backyard in south America which has suffered under dictatorship and military rule all too commonly, at times shamefully with the backing of the United States.


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: natalukjoe on 10 03, 10, 09:51:38:PM
but...but....but....they do have a president already....the imam barry hussein obama...the ONE who descended to be the president of the world...the self proclaim messiah came dopwn to youir level to serve....hehehesheeeeee


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 09:53:10:PM
WTF
 
Is this a looney bin?

LOL silly question, it is ;)


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Oz on 10 03, 10, 09:54:35:PM
The United states further should encourage democracy where we can, especially in our own backyard in south America which has suffered under dictatorship and military rule all too commonly, at times shamefully with the backing of the United States.

Yes, especially with some Past-Presidents who helped replace democratically-elected Presidents with military dictatorships (like Nicaragua)... and tried with others (Chavez).


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 09:57:14:PM
It happened throughout Latin America for generations, one of the most aggregious being Chile which became a decades long brutal dictatorship. Now thankfully it has retruend to constitutional democracy.

"The Chilean coup d'état of 1973 was a watershed event in the history of Chile and the Soviet-American Cold War. On 11 September 1973, the democratically elected President of Chile Salvador Allende was overthrown in a CIA-backed Chilean military coup d’état.

A military junta took control of the government, composed of the heads of the Air Force, Navy, Carabineros (police force) and the Army led by General Augusto Pinochet. General Pinochet assumed power and ended Allende's democratically elected Popular Unity government.

During the air raids and ground attacks that preceded the coup, Allende gave his last speech where he vowed to stay in the presidential palace. Direct witness accounts of his death agree that he committed suicide in the presidential palace. After the coup Pinochet established a military dictatorship that ruled Chile until 1990 and that was marked by severe human rights violations. A weak insurgence movement against the Pinochet government was maintained inside Chile by elements sympathetic to the former Allende government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile_coup


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: D2D on 10 03, 10, 10:00:19:PM
The fact remains when Marxists are elected democracy ends!


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: ttopcat on 10 03, 10, 10:01:10:PM
Amazed....Yes I believe in democracy,but marxism leads countries into dictatorships and strong man rule a person who has control of the military in most every case. If you had read on down a little you would have come across a list of countries, marxist countries.Maybe you should take a look at some of them,and determine if you really think they are democracy's. I would have posted this sooner but the board seems have slowed down again.


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 10:04:26:PM
Actually she is not a marxist, that's spin from a right wing british rag. She is a democratic socialist of a very mild sort as her predecessor Lula is, who has completed his term and is stepping down. Brazil is one of the most democratic countries in the world.
 
These are verifiable facts and not right wing message board bullshit.

To oppose democratic rule and the will of the Brazilian people is anti democratic.

What you morons are is ignorant.


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Byteryder on 10 03, 10, 10:05:21:PM
AMERICA MUST DIE


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 10:08:24:PM
uh oh, butts drinking again.


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Oz on 10 03, 10, 10:08:45:PM
The fact remains when Marxists are elected democracy ends! ???

Do you even read what you post?   (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/grin.gif)


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 10:09:45:PM
LOL they're nuts LOL


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 10:11:55:PM
Can any of you morons cite examples of political repression in Brazil?

For all it's many problems and poverty, corruption it is a model of democracy.


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Oz on 10 03, 10, 10:20:29:PM
And Brazil is decades ahead of the U.S. in green energy, and has the world's biggest, most efficient Ford plant, produces, uses and exports ethanol for $1 a gallon, and has a booming oil business that exports 100% of what they produce.


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Oz on 10 03, 10, 10:22:30:PM
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Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 10:31:41:PM
Brazil is a country of grinding poverty and entrenced wealthy oligarchies and highly concentrated wealth, they need a goverenment that will promote economic development and provide oppurtunities for the masses of the poor.


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: ttopcat on 10 03, 10, 10:32:48:PM
lol. There's more slums in Brazil than in Mexico.The rich about 2 % of the population own all the land in Brazil.


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 10:33:48:PM
"lol. There's more slums in Brazil than in Mexico.The rich about 2 % of the population own all the land in Brazil. "
 
Exactly. this is good?

What do you think causes revolutionary movements?

That situation didnt come about because of Lula, he is attempting to bring change, democratically.


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: D2D on 10 03, 10, 10:34:42:PM
Of course, the only solution for this Marxist will be to nationalize business and kill the successful!

Predictable as the sun rising!


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 10:47:30:PM
When you get to be a Brazilan you can vote in their elections R2D2

Fair enough?


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: ttopcat on 10 03, 10, 10:50:35:PM
Amazed I hate to tell you this but Brazil is a republic as is the U.S....

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html (http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html)


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Oz on 10 03, 10, 10:57:07:PM
Amazed I hate to tell you this but Brazil is a republic as is the U.S....

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html (http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html)
 
 
So?


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 11:08:41:PM
"Amazed I hate to tell you this but Brazil is a republic as is the U.S.... "

 
You're complaining about that?

You were the one who was complaining about the politcal process in Brazil


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 11:19:14:PM
So what do you think I've been trying to tell you ttopcat.
 
Hellooooooooooo!!


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: dallas795 on 10 03, 10, 11:25:59:PM
Byte stands up from his recliner with a gallon jar of cheap wine in his hand and shouts out
 
AMERICA MUST DIE!


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 11:31:12:PM
LOLOLOLOL
 
Thats exactly what I thought dallas LOL

WTF LOL


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: ttopcat on 10 03, 10, 11:51:08:PM
She a marxist is what I'm telling you reguardless of what it is now, she  a female Castro.


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: ttopcat on 10 03, 10, 11:52:54:PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/03/1855999/lula-supporter-dominates-brazil.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/03/1855999/lula-supporter-dominates-brazil.html)


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Amazed on 10 03, 10, 11:53:04:PM
lol

ok ttopcat, run along and go play with buttryder and natalukjoe. they have lot's of cheap wine.


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: D2D on 10 04, 10, 12:06:48:AM
As usual when Amazed is devoid of any effective argument he resorts to childish insults!
 
Will you ever mature?


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: ttopcat on 10 04, 10, 12:24:43:AM
Obama has all but destroyed the wine industry, I could afford good wine before he got elected and decided to tax it to death.lol.The wine,beer and whiskey drinkers are not going to vote for Obama in the next election ask them if you want.People don't forget politicians who cost them money.


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Oz on 10 04, 10, 02:25:18:AM
Apparently, they have made considerable progress (20 million lifted out of poverty) and both candidates vow to continue the same policies.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39491074/ns/world_news-americas/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39491074/ns/world_news-americas/)
 
The argument is over who can do it best.
 
 


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: ttopcat on 10 04, 10, 08:36:44:AM
Sorry Oz the liberal democratic socialist in Brazil have turned to the capitalist system,and are drilling for oil everywhere they can with Obama's help.lol.But we will see how this plays out soon.


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Oz on 10 04, 10, 09:11:15:AM
Why are you sorry?
 
 


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: ttopcat on 10 04, 10, 09:43:49:AM
I'm sorry that the idiots in the world think that Brazil is a big loveydovey green based economic country,that has the peoples common interest at heart ,and will bring the poor Brazilians out of poverty,when all indicaters point to corporate take over of the country,and live the poor in the lurch.


Title: Re: Brazil may have a new President, A marxist....
Post by: Oz on 10 04, 10, 12:25:54:PM
You mean like America under the Republicans?
 
Nah, don't think so.