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Title: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: WWV10MHZ on 04 11, 19, 06:11:20:PM
Ohio Governor signed a Bill to prevent babies with beating hearts from being yanked out of a mother and killed.

Thank God!!!

https://www.christianpost.com/news/ohio-governor-signs-heartbeat-abortion-ban-into-law-aclu-vows-legal-action.html (https://www.christianpost.com/news/ohio-governor-signs-heartbeat-abortion-ban-into-law-aclu-vows-legal-action.html)

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Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: WWV10MHZ on 04 11, 19, 07:16:03:PM
What kind of person would purposely KILL a defenseless and innocent baby? ? ? ? ? ?


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: omiaqt on 04 11, 19, 07:28:05:PM
Which Mengele Fascist Judge will block the law?


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: wmdn_bs on 04 11, 19, 07:39:26:PM
The pendulum will swing back when the voters tie off government interference.


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: dont-blameme on 04 11, 19, 09:05:55:PM
What it boils down to BS is not one of you leftist democrats can point to that right in the constitution or bill of rights.


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: WWV10MHZ on 04 11, 19, 09:39:22:PM
The baby growing inside a woman has different DNA and is therefore a DIFFERENT PERSON!!!

No one has the moral right to KILL that person!!!!!!


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: wmdn_bs on 04 12, 19, 04:13:35:AM
What it boils down to BS is not one of you leftist democrats can point to that right in the constitution or bill of rights.

You are so wrong once again DBM. I respectfully suggest you read RvW. I do believe you will see that the learned SCOTUS referred to the fourth amendment in making their landmark decision. Right wing uneducated extreme zealots have been fighting since then with no basis except their snowflakishness.


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: 1965hawks on 04 12, 19, 04:44:55:AM
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https://www.motherteresa.org/08_info/Quotesf.html#2


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: Jw2 on 04 12, 19, 03:54:37:PM
South Korean Court Strikes Down Decades-Old Abortion Ban

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/12/712281726/south-korean-court-strikes-down-decades-old-abortion-ban?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20190412&fbclid=IwAR3hnv3qp8XrmlYC9ErEkr49M1luDiSuNKGS3-0Aq1bMXSWQ9Vjt-44QzaY

South Korea's Constitutional Court on Thursday struck down the country's laws prohibiting abortion, a landmark decision challenging the 66-year-old ban that had become increasingly unpopular in recent years.


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: D2D on 04 12, 19, 08:59:02:PM
 
The pendulum will swing back when the voters tie off government interference.
Ironic when you consider Democrats are for unlimited government interference in every other aspect of American life!

If Democrat really were pro-choice instead of pro-abortion they wouldn't oppose any and all possible regulation of Abortion!

Abortion is not safe for the baby!

Since when is it a woman's right to murder a child?


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: 1965hawks on 04 13, 19, 02:00:34:AM
Re: reply #9

Look at d2dvd! She's lying again about Democrats; this time she's accusing them and other progressives of interfering in "every aspect of American life." But, evidently, she sees nothing wrong when Republicans and other reactionaries enact and enforce repressive laws that intrude into a woman's life, laws that force her to bear children against her will. Wow! What hypocrisy!


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: 1965hawks on 04 13, 19, 05:54:11:AM
To: ww11119v10mhzsq987

Re: reply #5

1. An unborn child is either an embryo or a foetus; it's neither a person nor a human being.

2. Having DNA that differs from that of the expectant mother does not make the unborn child a person.

3. As long as an unborn child remains in the womb it is not a separate entity; it is part of the woman's body.

4. Using your flawed reasoning, embryos and foetuses would be considered persons and, therefore, would be counted in censuses.

5. Anti-abortion laws infringe upon a woman's right of privacy and her reproductive rights, by denying her the right to decide privately what she wants to do  with her own body, i.e., denying her the right to decide for herself whether or not to bear a child. That decision should be hers, not the government's.   


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: Local5th on 04 13, 19, 06:38:45:AM
Using your flawed reasoning, embryos and foetuses would be considered persons and, therefore, would be counted in censuses.

And using your flawed reasoning it wouldn't be against the law to have eagle eggs for breakfast.


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: 1965hawks on 04 13, 19, 07:03:37:AM
local5th,

What the hell does your idiotic response about having eagle eggs for breakfast have to do with this discussion about the abortion issue? If you have nothing better to do in this discussion than  post idiotic and irrelevant horseshit like ultracrepidarians d2dvd! and sine-qua-non do when they come here, then as far as I'm concerned you can take a seat and shut the fuck up, because I'm not wasting my time debating a pseudointellectual who really has nothing to say but who's here to argue just for the sake of argument.   


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: Local5th on 04 13, 19, 07:46:37:AM
What the hell does your idiotic response about having eagle eggs for breakfast have to do with this discussion about the abortion issue?

It has everything to do with it Hawk.


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: wmdn_bs on 04 13, 19, 11:45:13:AM
If a fetus is a person, why can't it be claimed as a dependent? Why can't a pregnant woman legally drive in the carpool lane?


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: 1965hawks on 04 13, 19, 01:24:21:PM
local5th,

You're doing what you're wont to do in this forum, arguing your opinion as fact again. Eating eagle eggs for breakfast doesn't have a damn thing to do with the topic of discussion in this thread, your ludicrous attempt to interject a red herring into the debate notwithstanding. 


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: D2D on 04 13, 19, 03:14:16:PM
 

If a fetus is a person, why can't it be claimed as a dependent?
Don't you know a fetus is only a fetus for 9 months?

Tax filings happen once every 12 months!


Why can't a pregnant woman legally drive in the carpool lane?
Who says she can't?


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: Local5th on 04 13, 19, 07:04:04:PM
You're doing what you're wont to do in this forum, arguing your opinion as fact again. Eating eagle eggs for breakfast doesn't have a damn thing to do with the topic of discussion in this thread, your ludicrous attempt to interject a red herring into the debate notwithstanding.

Eagle eggs (embryos) are protected by law. You can't destroy them or even mess with the nest. It makes sense because the fertilized egg will become an eagle, and eagles are a protected species. The human embryo is the same but it is not protected. We give a woman the right to destroy her baby because it is her body and her right to control her body. Yet if she chooses to sell her body to make a buck we arrest her.

Simply put there is no logic to the pro abortion arguments. Most are "phrases" to morally justify ending a life for the sake of convenience.


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: wmdn_bs on 04 13, 19, 08:01:40:PM
Don't you know a fetus is only a fetus for 9 months?

Tax filings happen once every 12 months!

Who says she can't?

A baby that is born on December 31 can be claimed as a dependent for the entire year. Surely a person that is as smart as you think you are knows that.

Surely even you can't believe a pregnant woman can legally drive in the carpool lane. Never mind. Given your low intellect, maybe you do.


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: D2D on 04 13, 19, 08:11:55:PM
So?

You just proved my point!

Why are you insisting tax law override science?


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: WWV10MHZ on 04 13, 19, 11:08:05:PM
How can you argue with a POS person that delights in KILLING BABIES? ? ? ? ? ? ?


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: D2D on 04 13, 19, 11:18:14:PM
The Eugenics lobby continues under different names but with the same outcome!


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: 1965hawks on 04 14, 19, 12:56:32:AM
To: local5th

Re: reply #16

Your logical fallacy: False Analogy

The false analogy occurs when the analogy used is inappropriate for the circumstances and assumes incorrectly that because something is true about one example, it is true about the other.


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: D2D on 04 14, 19, 01:10:56:AM
1965hawks continues to admit he knows NOTHING!


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: 1965hawks on 04 14, 19, 03:10:05:AM
You're confused again, d2dvd! Truth is, what I do is continue laughing at you when you continue attacking me rather than attacking the arguments I make in this forum. Evidently, you still haven't accepted the fact that your launching ad hominem attacks against me neither refutes nor debunks my arguments. I continue laughing at you because you continually prove you don't know jack shit.


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: 1965hawks on 04 14, 19, 04:02:48:AM
"A fetus  is only a fetus for 9 months."--d2dvd, reply #17

You're talking out your arse again d2dvd! A foetus is not a foetus for 9 months

JSYK: At the end of the 8th week after fertilisation (10 weeks of pregnancy), the embryo is considered a foetus.


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: D2D on 04 14, 19, 04:11:58:AM
LOL!

You admit once again you have nothing!

Weak and foolish!


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: 1965hawks on 04 14, 19, 01:35:25:PM
d2dvd!,

What you're doing now is what you always do in this forum when you can neither defend your argument nor refute your opponent's argument. You attack the person making the argument rather than attacking the argument  itself  and pointing out its defects.

Again, FYI: in human prenatal development, a foetus is considered an embryo until the ninth week, fertilisation age, or eleventh week, gestational age. after this time the embyro is referred to as a foetus. Contrary to the claim you made, a foetus is not a foetus for nine months, and contrary to the claim you and other so-called pro-lifers are wont to make, neither a human embryo nor a human foetus is a human being (a person).


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: wvit1001 on 04 14, 19, 02:08:12:PM
d2's already said that she considers the morning after pills to be the same as an abortion.    What do you think  d2 about the birth control that is a big part of what planned  parenthood provides.   Do you thing providing birth control and information on birth control to women is the wrong thing for an organization like planned parenthood to be doing?


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: 1965hawks on 04 14, 19, 03:13:19:PM
To: d2dsv!,

What the hell do you have?


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: WWV10MHZ on 04 14, 19, 03:33:24:PM
69Hocker......   WHY do you LOVE to KILL innocent defenseless BABIES? ? ? ? ?

https://www.youtube.com/v/NzDCab9QmCg


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: WWV10MHZ on 04 14, 19, 04:02:39:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBLWpKbC3ww (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBLWpKbC3ww)

https://www.youtube.com/v/gBLWpKbC3ww


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: Local5th on 04 14, 19, 06:27:54:PM
contrary to the claim you and other so-called pro-lifers are wont to make, neither a human embryo nor a human foetus is a human being (a person).

Then why abort it?


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: wvit1001 on 04 14, 19, 06:31:14:PM
if that's what you want to believe then that's ok local.  Don't have an abortion.

but why do you want to foist your beliefs on everyone else?  Why would you want to take away their right to making their own medical decisions for themselves?


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: 1965hawks on 04 14, 19, 09:41:06:PM
Re: reply #33

local5th: Then why abort it?

Your question is irrelevant. Abortion is not based on whether an embryo or foetus is a human being.

Oh and by the way, just so you and the other misinformed/disinformed, so-called pro-lifers in this forum know:

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: D2D on 04 15, 19, 09:18:14:PM
1965hawks, tell us the legal justification for killing an innocent human being!


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: wvit1001 on 04 15, 19, 09:20:29:PM
have you called the police about all these innocent humans you say are being killed?   what'd they tell you?


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: D2D on 04 15, 19, 09:22:56:PM
Wvit, tell us the legal justification for killing an innocent human being!


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: Jw2 on 04 15, 19, 10:46:58:PM
poor d2...bound and determined to arrest, prosecute and jail women.


so much for your phony conservative values of freedom and liberty.


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: D2D on 04 15, 19, 10:47:53:PM
Wvit says baby killers should be encouraged to continue their bloody practice!


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: 1965hawks on 04 16, 19, 03:16:11:AM
To: d2dvd!

Re: reply #38

Stop altering the facts to suit your bogus argument! Stop attacking the straw man you created to "refute!" Contrary to what you argued here, an abortion--whether natural or induced--does not kill a human being. An unborn child is not a human being.


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: D2D on 04 16, 19, 03:29:52:AM
 
Re: reply #33

local5th: Then why abort it?

Your question is irrelevant. Abortion is not based on whether an embryo or foetus is a human being.

Oh and by the way, just so you and the other misinformed/disinformed, so-called pro-lifers in this forum know:

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html

1965hawks, tell us the legal justification for killing an innocent human being!
To: d2dvd!

Re: reply #38

Stop altering the facts to suit your bogus argument! Stop attacking the straw man you created to "refute!" Contrary to what you argued here, an abortion--whether natural or induced--does not kill a human being. An unborn child is not a human being.
Make up your mind!

Seems you aren't capable of keeping track of the nonsense you spew!


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: 1965hawks on 04 16, 19, 07:50:20:AM
d2dvd!: [What] is the legal justification for killing an innocent human being?

1965hawks: Your question is irrelevant, d2dvd! An abortion does kill a human being. Abortion--whether natural or induced--does not kill a human being.


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: dont-blameme on 04 16, 19, 09:13:07:AM
OK BS NOWwere is the right to an abortion stated?


The Fourth Amendment (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fourth_amendment) of the U.S. Constitution (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/overview) provides that "[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures (http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/unreasonable_search_and_seizure), shall not be violated, and no Warrants (http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/warrant) shall issue, but upon probable cause (http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/probable_cause), supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched (http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/search_0), and the persons or things to be seized (http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/seizure)."
The ultimate goal of this provision is to protect people’s right to privacy (http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/right_to_privacy) and freedom from unreasonable intrusions by the government.  However, the Fourth Amendment does not guarantee protection from all searches and seizures, but only those done by the government and deemed unreasonable under the law.

The right to privacy does not entitle you to the right to kill, if it did then killing a person in the privacy of a home would not be a crime.


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: 1965hawks on 04 16, 19, 10:16:23:AM
To: d2dvd!, ww1119v10mhzsq987, local5th, dont-blameme, and omiaqt

Re: reply #44

Roe v. Wade, 410 US 113 (1973)

In a landmark decision, The US Supreme Court ruled that most laws against abortion violate a constitutional right of privacy under the liberty clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, thus overturning all federal and state laws outlawing and restricting abortion that were inconsistent with the decision.


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: D2D on 04 16, 19, 02:18:59:PM
 
d2dvd!: [What] is the legal justification for killing an innocent human being?

1965hawks: Your question is irrelevant, d2dvd! An abortion does kill a human being. Abortion--whether natural or induced--does not kill a human being.

You don't get to decide what is relevant or irrelevant!

Answer the question, coward!


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: D2D on 04 16, 19, 02:21:48:PM
Amendment 14
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the
jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State
wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge
the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any
State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of
law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the
laws.

2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to
their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State,
excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the
choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States,
Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or
the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male
inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the
United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the
proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole
number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of
President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the
United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of
any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to
support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the
enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove
such disability.

4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law,
including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in
suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the
United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred
in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for
the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and
claims shall be held illegal and void.

Highlight the part of the 14th Amendment you believe gives women the right to murder babies and explain why you believe it does so!


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: WWV10MHZ on 04 16, 19, 02:31:49:PM
69Hocker......  You can refer to previous post all you want.  I don't go searching for old posts to read again.

If you have something important to say, just say it.  Don't always take the lazy way out.


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: D2D on 04 16, 19, 02:33:30:PM
For 1965hawks the lazy way is the only way!


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: 1965hawks on 04 16, 19, 04:03:14:PM
Re: reply #46

Question: What is the legal justification for killing an innocent human being?


The question is irrelevant. An abortion--whether it is natural or induced--terminates a pregnancy; it does not kill a human being. An unborn child is not a human being; terminating a pregnancy does not "kill" a human being.

irrelevant: unrelated to the matter being considered.
____ The American Heritage College Dictionary, Fourth Edition (2004)


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: D2D on 04 16, 19, 04:08:34:PM
Name the person who gave birth to something other than a human being!


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: 1965hawks on 04 16, 19, 04:31:18:PM
To: ww1119v10mhzsq987 and d2dvd!

Re: replies #48 and #49

My argument isn't based on "past posts." It's based on what the US Supreme Court ruled in Roe v. Wade (1973). And speaking of laziness, I'm never lazy when I argue a point in this forum. I always argue it and defend it with the utmost enthusiasm. 


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: D2D on 04 16, 19, 04:40:58:PM
Roe was a flawed decision made even more flawed by modern medicine and science!

You are full of it as you refuse to answer any question you deem uncomfortable!


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: 1965hawks on 04 16, 19, 05:21:29:PM
"Name the person  mother who gave birth to something other than a human being."--d2dvd!, reply #51

d2dvd!,

The key phrase here is "gave birth."  When a child is born alive it is considered to be a person, an individual, a human being.  But an abortion terminates a pregnancy so, therefore, it stands to reason that a mother cannot give birth to an aborted foetus. Name the mother who has done that, d2dvd!


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: D2D on 04 16, 19, 05:53:36:PM
1965hawks says mothers are not persons!

Does that mean mothers can be aborted?


Title: Re: Babies Granted LIFE In Ohio!!
Post by: WWV10MHZ on 04 16, 19, 06:18:15:PM
Is delivering a Baby by Caesarean Section birth?

Using that procedure, is the result a Human Being?

The Doctor goes into the Mother and brings out a Baby Human Being.

The procedure for elective abortion is exactly the SAME.

The Doctor goes into the Mother and brings out a Baby Human Being.

What's the difference?

The only difference is usually that the Doctor in the abortion scenario tries to make sure the Baby is KILLED before
  bringing it out. Sometimes, the Baby isn't KILLED in various circumstances and survives the procedure until it is
  actually out of the Mother (born). Then, someone finishes the intended task.

Sure sounds like MURDER of a Human Being.