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A question no leftist will answer directly or honestly!

human being: a man, woman, or child, of the species homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development , power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

How much is Carson charging you to use his image in that meme?

How can Uncle Ben keep a straight face when he calls himself a doctor?

So you don't believe he said that?

A simple google search helps...


https://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/28/dr-ben-carson-reacts-planned-parenthood-scandal-kelly-file-were-giving-away-our-humanity (https://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/28/dr-ben-carson-reacts-planned-parenthood-scandal-kelly-file-were-giving-away-our-humanity)

Yes, takncarabizniz. I believe Uncle Ben said it. But I cant believe a medical doctor believes a foetus is a human being. That belief contradicts the definition of human being and flies in the face of logic.

 

An UNBORN CHILD aka a fetus most definitely IS a HUMAN BEING.

Human beings do not give birth to elephants, or pigs, or alien monsters.

Ben Carson gives 'Quackery' a whole new meaning. 

A fetus is not a Human Being until the fetus leaves the womb and starts breathing on it's own...

No, bhsgrad1972! You're confused again: an unborn human fetus is not a person and, therefore, it's not a human being. Despite your babbling irrelevant--and idiotic-- bullshit about humans not giving birth to "elephants, pigs, or alien monsters," the fact remains that a human fetus is not a human being.

human being: a man, woman, or child, of the species homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development , power of articulate speech, and upright stance.


By this definition then someone born with downs, Multiple Sclerosis, retardation, Deaf or without speech is not a human. Nor are people in wheelchairs.   
Nice mentality you Democrats have.  You might want to rethink morality. Or lack thereof.
 

 
Fact is that "Fetus" is not simply a different species that suddenly becomes Human when you blow it up. It is a Human at its earliest development stage. And we know it is a Human at its earliest development because it won't be anything else when it is finished.
 
Regardless how much you don't want it to be.

Nope, Jim.

The fetus is a bunch of cells that until it is actually born. In the first few months of it's existence, it is nothing more than a group of

growing cells.

A lot of your republican/traitor idiots claims that a six week old fetus is a baby?

Hardly....

You are not pro life, Jim, so stop with the loony act.

You are pro birth, not pro life.

You and your republican/traitor pals don't seem to give a shit about a child after it's born.

It needs help with the basic necessities that you republican/traitors are taking away. (examples: medical attention, food, etc.)

Sit down, James!

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See what I mean?  By Hawks dictionary definition even LRW might not pass..
 

As I stated earlier Democrats are not capable of responding honestly and in a straight forward manner!

James & d2/doorknob,

I DID answer honestly. You republican/traitor liars are full of shit! You NEVER want to hear the truth about anything, just what the tRaitor i

n the White House and your corrupt, traitor gop spoon feeds you!

Why are you guys spreading bullshit lies? What, so you think you can have control over women's bodies?

You don't give two shits about women or children!

Once the kids are born, all you republican/traitors can do is take away much needed programs to help with their care and well being!

You also want to take away much needed programs that help with women's care and well being!

BOTH of you, sit the HELL down!

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The Lefts attempt at trying to turn an actual Human Baby, or one in its very early stages of growth into nothing better than an icky blob is nothing more than their horrendously failed attempt at Prestidigitation.  How utterly demeaning of them.
 

LRW proves she doesn't know what honestly means!

No magic to it, James.

You go get yourself pregnant and see what you think....

LOLOLOL! Obviously, being of the male persuasion, you can't, so you have NO reference to go by...

You are funny when you paint your dumb butt in a corner, James....

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 This is LRW's post with all invective and spurious opinion removed!

All that was left was a lie!

Silly foolish girl!

My apologies to girls!

You don't give two shits about women or children!
 
Maybe its you who cares little to nothing for Women or Children. Well obviously you care nothing for the child. Thats already been established. But what about the woman who will go through the rest of her life haunted that she aborted a child. Especially when she has other children. Haunted by the missing face that should be sitting at the table.
 
Do you care one iota about that?  Nope.  Now, stop with all your Red Herrings and Strawmen - trying to steer the topic into other directions just because you don't like the topic staring you in the face.

It's YOU who are using the red herrings and bullshit lies, Jim..

Can you get pregnant? NO!

So, where is your warped reference coming from?

I have had 2 children and went through the pregnancy process, gave birth, and raised them to adulthood!

You are full of shit, JAMES! And "I" am calling you on it!

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d2/dumbass,

NOBODY wants to hear the opinion of a barren bitch/wackadoo like you who OBVIOUSLY has never even been pregnant.

Your post PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt about what I said about you lying republican/traitors NOT wanting to

hear the truth!

SIT DOWN!

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Explain how that gives you the Right to assist or encourage others to kill theirs?
Is this a case of "OK I have mine - nobody cares if you have yours" ?

jim,

A human fetus is not a human being, your bogus argument notwithstanding.

A human being is a person, an individual, someone who was born alive and capable of surviving outside the womb. A person born with Downs Syndrome is a human being, an individual, a person, albeit a person born with physical and mental defects. However, neither an unborn human foetus nor an aborted human foetus is a person (human being). Using your flawed logic, an unborn child (a human embryo or human foetus) and even a stillborn child, would be counted in a census. But they aren't, because only living persons  (human beings/individuals) are counted in a census. Isn't that right, jim?

Nazis said Jews were not human beings in order to justify the holocaust!

1965hawks is just like them!

d2dvd!,

Instead of babbling irrelevant bullshit about Nazis, explain how an unborn human foetus is a human being, how an unborn human embryo is a human being. Explain why an unborn child is a human being and, therefore, should be counted in a census.

1965hawks keeps goose stepping along!

Tyrants around the world first dehumanize, isolate and finally murder!

d2dvd!'

You're confused again! I'm not goose-stepping. I'm kicking your ignorant ass all over this forum and having a good time doing it! Now bend over again and give me another good target, you shit-for-brains, right-wingnut, cretin.

James,

It is a LEGAL choice that women have whether or not to have a child. Or would you rather be like that judge in Michigan who gave

parental rights to a man who raped a 12 year old child and wouldn't give her the choice?

You are being pathetically neanderthalic here.

We have laws, James. ROE vs. Wade IS part of those laws that gives women a choice.

We are not about to let neanderthals like you take away our choices nor our rights.

You are whistling in the wind, bub!

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What crime has the child committed to deserve death by dismemberment, LRW?

A 6 week old fetus is NOT a child, d2fuckingdumbass!

How would YOU know? Have YOU ever been pregnant and had a child?

You are spit balling here and I am calling you on it!

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Nothing to do with morality, takn.

Roe Vs Wade makes it legal for women to have a choice.

I am not saying that all women will abort. They don't, but they DO have a choice.

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d2dvd!,

You're attacking a straw man. At issue here is whether a human foetus is a human being, not whether it has committed a crime.I hope LadyRavenswing is too smart to be distracted by you thinly disguised red herring and be duped into wasting her time debating you about unborn criminals and other inane topics.

First, dehumanize, then isolate and finally murder!

Abortion is NOT murder, d2dumbass, you silly nit.

It is a "LAW," Roe Vs. Wade that gives women a choice.

Stop with your lying bullshit...

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To: takncarabizniz

Re: reply #32

Your shallow reasoning (and lack of reading comprehension) has failed you again. A child born with birth defects--whether mental, physical, or a combination of both--is still of the species homo sapien and, therefore, by definition, is construed to be a human being.

LRW the choice isn't the woman's to make as the child is genetically separate from the "mother!"

YEA, d2dumb/asshole,

It IS a woman's choice whether to have a child or not...

Roe Vs. Wade.

Not a godamn thing you can do about it either.

You republican/traitor/trolls talk a big game..., but we are nearing a Presidenital election.

You spineless, republican/traitor worms just talk out of your asses, but won't actually DO anything about repealing Roe Vs.

Wade, because it would most surely spell not only the end of tRump's criminal regime, it would mean your gop party of

traitors would be out of business, because you would be voted out and then run out.

Go ahead. Just TRY to refute my words here, you lying bitch!

You KNOW that I am telling the truth! Whether you want to admit it here or not!

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A child born with birth defects--whether mental, physical, or a combination of both--is still of the species homo sapien and, therefore, by definition, is construed to be a human being.
 
Not according to your own definition.  In fact your definition would also include those bedridden, in coma's and have dementia.
Maybe you and Websters need to have a one on one chat about that.  In the meantime keep your Strawmwn and Red Herrings in your pocket. You'll need the for later.

 

To: jim

Re: reply #41

Your logical fallacy: Cherry Picking (also known as ignoring inconvenient data, suppressing evidence, argument by selective observation, argument by half-truth, fallacy of exclusion)

Description: When only select evidence is presented in order to persuade an audience to accept a position and evidence that would go against the position is withheld.

Definition of human being: a man, woman, or child, of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, articulate speech, and upright stance.

However, in this debate you've substituted your cherry-picked definition:

human being: a man, woman, or child, of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, articulate speech, and upright stance.

Then you used your fallacious definition as the false premiss of your bogus argument.:

"By this definition then someone born with downs, Multiple Sclerosis, retardation, Deaf or without speech is not a human, Nor or people in wheel chairs." [sic]--jim

Yes, jim. Using that definition--your cherry-picked definition--someone could argue that a person born with Down syndrome, multiple sclerosis, mental retardation, deafness, the inability to speak, or inability to stand upright, is not human. But that argument has an obvious flaw. Although a person could be born with birth defects--both mental and physical--that person is still of the species Homo sapien, i.e., a human being, a fact your bogus argument (based on your bogus definition) carefully avoids mentioning.

Finally, jim, read the definition of human being again:

human being: a man, woman, or child, of the species Homo species, ….

Notice that the definition uses the terms man, woman, and child, terms in common use to refer to, human beings. Notice also, jim, that the definition makes no mention at all of an embryo or of a foetus. That's because, despite your logically fallacious  argument, neither a human embryo nor a human foetus is a human being.

 

Hawks, my response was "well said".

The first two paragraphs were from Jim.

Your ignorance is dully noted.

takncarabizniz,

You prove your ignorance every day when you argue in support of the other disinformed, reactionary, wackadoodles in this forum.

You have to understand when 1965hawks cannot refute what you post he claims your post is either a "red herring," "cherry picking" or an "ad hominem" attack!

If he is truly frustrated he will engage in childish name calling up to and including profanity!

Never mind the fact 1965hawks loves defining away humanity in order to justify abuse/murder!

To: d2dvd!

Re: reply #45

argumentum ad hominem (Latin for "argument against the person)

Your logical/rhetorical fallacy: Ad Hominem--you bypassed my arguments and launched an irrelevant  attack on me rather than attacking my arguments and pointing out where they lack merit.

It is being said that an un-born baby is a Human, person, individual. If that be true, then why is an un-born baby called a fetus...

1965hawks proves my point!

d2dvd!,

What you really need to do is start proving your own points for change, something you've yet to do in this forum.

I already have and you are still projecting your failings on me, Wvit!

Nope, d2/dumass, you ARE a TOTAL failure...

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LRW still has absolutely nothing to say!

How can you function with a mind filled with childish name calling and profanity?

You are STILL a TOTAL Failure, d2dumbass...., as a human being AND as an American.

All of your bullshit blathering will NOT change that fact.

Keep paddling as you CONTINUE to spin in place blathering your bullshit nonsense......

LAUGHING @ you still!

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In plain, simple words, let me ask you pro-abortionists at any term of the pregnancy, have you heard the steady beating of a heartbeat at two months from conception in the womb?   Well have you?  I have!  It tends to make one think, if you have any feelings or caring at all!

Oh, hold your bladder, emily..

An eight week old fetus has yet to be human...

Don't be getting your knickers in a twist.

If you republicans are so alarmed by Roe Vs. Wade, then why have you not rescinded it before now?

I will tell you why. It is the will of the "MAJORITY" of the people that the law remain in effect and you chicken hearted republican/traitors

don't really have the guts to *officially* challange and rescind the law, because you KNOW the people will cut you down to ribbons

for your stupidity.

Stop giving yoursef pios airs, emily.

You look like a total dweeb!

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LRW says if the will of the majority says all black people must be killed it must be done!

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Yes, WHY? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

What are "pios airs",LRW?

If you were a dried up, shriveled old hag that never wanted children, then I wouldn't expect you to have one iota of concern over the extermination of a fetus with a beating heart, or of an aborted baby at any time during the third semester, or sooner, who was yanked out of the womb and silenced at the first cry.  Other people's feelings don't count...............dismissed!

emily, have you never heard the expression, "Giving yourself pios airs?" It means your holier than thou bullshit is not worth the time of

day is what it means.

You were full of shit, emily.

You STILL are...

Ignorant as well as full of shit.....

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I see d2/dumbass is off it's meds again....

Take your Thorazine like a good little schitzo, and go to bed...

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 LRW doesn't recognize the consequences of what she posts!

I imagine you mean "pious" LRW,  What was that you said about being ignorant?  Never mind, do us all a favor and dismiss yourself.

d2/dumbass,

Unlike yor deranged, psychotic, ramblings on these threads, I know EXACTLY what I am saying....

If you have a problem with it, piss off!

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emily, you bitch...,

LOLOL! You have a problem with spelling?  All of that whine over one misspelled word? LOLOL!

Are you part of the spelling police?

Is that all that you can find to whine about?

You ARE pitiful....

LAUGHING!

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LRW still has nothing to say!

d2dumbass,

Having NOTHING to say is YOUR forte.

EVERYONE on these threads KNOWS it....

Nice try, slick, but your rep. as a known liar and bullshit artist precedes you....

ROTFLMAO!!!

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Lazy-Raving-Wench was nailed on her ignorance and is ashamed to admit it!!!

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"All that whine" - yes you do that a lot LRW and you're no Lady!  Same old mantra from your limited playbook.

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To d2/dumbass, emily/bitch and wavvy/the wonder wort,

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

You republican/traitor bastards are ALWAYS hilarious when you are cornered, squatting in your own bullshit......

Oh, DO continue!

I am sure EVERYONE here is continuing to enjoy the laughs at your stupid expense!

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LRW still has nothing to say!

LRW delights in the idea of killing babies solely because they are inconvenient!

To: w11119v10mhzsq987

Re: reply #69

JSYK: Blessed Mother Teresa never said it.

https://www.motherteresa.org/08_info/Quotesf.html#2

If she had said it would that have caused you to oppose abortion?

LOLOLOLOL!

WHO has ANYTHING to say to a completely moronic, liar, fraud like you, d2dumbass....

We all KNOW you are a liar and a fraud!

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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No answer as expected!

Yea, d2dumbass, no answer was given by you...

As always, all you post is pure, unadulterated bullshit....

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LRW the profane childish name calling keeps a trolling along!

If it weren't for the money that Planned un-Parenthood derives from abortions (killing babies), the hellish organization
   wouldn't exist!!!!!!

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d2dvd!,

Re: reply #75

You didn't expect an answer but wasted your time and effort asking a question. That's rather stupid. You should had noticed by now that I hardly ever ask questions in this forum. What I do instead is state my positions and views and I am always prepared to  defend them with fact-based evidence. On the rare occasions when I do ask a question, I already know the answer, and I am ready to catch the responder in a lie and either refute or debunk his or her untruthful answer.

DvD never has a fact-based anything.

All opinion and bias for DvD!

LRW, Have you ever had an abortion?

kensanIV,

Answer this: what point are you trying to make?

A car frame is not a car til it is finished. Same with everything.

Kensan,

Whether I have or haven't ISN'T your business, nor is it the point of the discussion....

Now go pound sand!

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 I did give you a chance to rise above your intellectual cowardice and answer in a clear and straight forward manner!

Sadly, you instead sank further into intellectual cowardice refusing to even offer up your typical mindless deflection and hatred!

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More lies and projection from Davik!