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Title: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: wvit1001 on 03 13, 19, 09:16:52:PM
Michael Cohen has testified that President Trump directed him to lie to Congress about Trump’s business dealings with Russia during the campaign. The weakness of the accusation is that Cohen does not seem to have any proof, other than his own testimony, that the conversation took place. But now CNN reports that Cohen has evidence of Trump obstructing justice by dangling a pardon. And this time he has receipts.

Robert Costello, an attorney working with Rudy Giuliani, emailed Cohen on April 21.  The emails assured Cohen he could “sleep well tonight” because he had “friends in high places,” according to CNN.

This is a really, really big deal. The power to pardon convicted criminals for federal crimes is a legitimate use of presidential authority. Whether it’s legitimate for the president to use this power to pardon criminals who committed crimes on his behalf, or might have otherwise testified against him, is a subject of intense debate.

What’s not a subject of intense debate is whether a president can dangle a pardon. As Alex Whiting explained, the argument for why a president can pardon his own subordinates is that it’s a public act, and the voters can examine the facts and look at whether the president acted corruptly in issuing the pardon. “As long as it remained secret,” he notes, “it could be done without incurring any of the political downstream consequences that come with actually pardoning someone.”

Even as staunch an advocate of presidential authority as William Barr agreed in his confirmation hearings that dangling pardons could be obstruction of justice. “Do you believe a president could lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient’s promise to not incriminate him?” asked Senator Pat Leahy. “No. That would be a crime,” replied Barr.



http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/cohen-email-trump-dangled-pardon-obstruction-justice-mueller.html


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: Jim on 03 13, 19, 09:51:49:PM
 
Do you believe if Obama threatened Prison to Holder to lie about Fast and Furious that this too would be a Crime?   YES, that too would be a crime, says Jim.




Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: wvit1001 on 03 13, 19, 09:54:26:PM
Did he Jim?   Did anything like that ever come up in the republican lead investigations?   I don't remember anything like that.


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: wvit1001 on 03 13, 19, 09:58:05:PM
I am starting to think it may be possible that trump's complete criminality in his dealing and associations may be pointing to some sort of crime...

Just a hunch.


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: Jw2 on 03 13, 19, 10:01:51:PM
Mathew Whitiker will testify that Trump tried to interfere with the SDNY investigation, where Trump named is Person 1


that's obstruction.


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: Jim on 03 13, 19, 10:20:25:PM
Did he Jim?   Did anything like that ever come up in the republican lead investigations?   
 
Did he, wvit? Did Trump ?


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: dont-blameme on 03 13, 19, 10:26:12:PM
wait didn't you make a post about this at 1:52pm this after noon using cnn as a source, here's what it was based on------>However, a source who is described as having “knowledge of Cohen’s thinking” tells CNN that Cohen “disputes Costello’s version of events and insists it was Costello who was pushing his relationship with Giuliani.”

Additionally, a separate source described as “familiar with the emails” said that Trump’s legal team was trying to keep Cohen from flipping on the president and “hinting that a pardon could be in the mix at some point.”


So my question to you is how many more angles and sources will you provide were some one has this or has that?


described has having knowledge of his thinking--wow physic as hell for sure

described as familiar with the emails, everybody on this board are familiar with the emails


And the other question I have are the sources you provide links to that are better suited for garbage can liners then they are being believable


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: wvit1001 on 03 13, 19, 10:28:45:PM
so you don't think trump was dangling a pardon in return for some friendly testimony blammie?


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: dont-blameme on 03 13, 19, 10:43:35:PM
wvit----Do you think Trump would be that stupid?

Cohen is a democrat that has more than likely never told the truth in his life, so why should he start now? His meeting with cummings and then agreeing to testify before congress smells rotten.


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: Truman62 on 03 13, 19, 10:51:32:PM
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Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: Dan on 03 14, 19, 05:41:43:PM
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Michael Cohen has testified that President Trump directed him to lie to Congress

But we know that to be a lie.  Robert Mueller said so.


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: wvit1001 on 03 14, 19, 05:56:34:PM
 Can you share a link to Mueller  saying anything like that dan


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: Dan on 03 14, 19, 06:44:44:PM
Here you go.  It was all over the news.  I'm surprised you don't remember it.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/18/politics/mueller-statement-buzzfeed/index.html


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: wvit1001 on 03 14, 19, 06:53:21:PM
that article doesn't say anything like what you said dan.   


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: Dan on 03 14, 19, 06:56:09:PM
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that article doesn't say anything like what you said dan

It says exactly what I said, wvit.  Mueller refuted the report that Trump told Cohen to lie to Congress.


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: wvit1001 on 03 14, 19, 07:26:51:PM
no it doesn't.


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: wvit1001 on 03 14, 19, 07:30:28:PM
Special counsel Robert Mueller's office disputed an explosive story from BuzzFeed News as "not accurate" Friday night, after the news outlet reported the President had directed his personal attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress, for which Cohen was later prosecuted.




Robert Costello, an attorney working with Rudy Giuliani, emailed Cohen on April 21.  The emails assured Cohen he could “sleep well tonight” because he had “friends in high places,” according to CNN.

This is a really, really big deal. The power to pardon convicted criminals for federal crimes is a legitimate use of presidential authority. Whether it’s legitimate for the president to use this power to pardon criminals who committed crimes on his behalf, or might have otherwise testified against him, is a subject of intense debate.



see the difference old dan.   You're not slow so it must be that I've caught you lying again.   


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: Dan on 03 14, 19, 07:37:09:PM
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no it doesn't.

LOL!  If you can't read simple English then we have nothing to discuss.


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: Dan on 03 14, 19, 07:39:50:PM
In his second testimony, Cohen admitted that one of his lies to congress was that Trump directed him to lie.  In his second testimony he said Trump did no such thing.

See the difference, old man?  Your advanced age is clouding your mental capacity.


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: D2D on 03 14, 19, 07:54:39:PM
Pardon power is absolute and it cannot be considered obstruction for any president to exercise that power!


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: wvit1001 on 03 14, 19, 08:03:15:PM
still lying dan?   evidently that's all you have anymore.


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: Local5th on 03 14, 19, 08:25:46:PM
In his latest testimony Cohen said  “Mr. Trump did not directly tell me to lie to Congress."


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: wvit1001 on 03 14, 19, 08:30:16:PM
so?  it was trump's lawyer who told him to lie to Congess.   and it was trump's lawyer who hinted at the pardon.


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: D2D on 03 14, 19, 08:31:48:PM
 
so?  it was trump's lawyer who told him to lie to Congess.   and it was trump's lawyer who hinted at the pardon.

Provide proof!

Quotes and links please!


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: wvit1001 on 03 14, 19, 08:32:10:PM
William Barr, President Trump's nominee to serve as attorney general, said on Tuesday that it would be illegal for a U.S. president to pardon an individual if that person agreed not to incriminate the commander in chief in a criminal offense.

"Do you believe a president could lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient's promise not incriminate him?" Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) asked Barr during his confirmation hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

"No, that would be a crime," Barr said.


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: Dan on 03 14, 19, 08:37:22:PM
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still lying dan?

Never did, lyin' vit.  Try doing some research.  Cohen said in his second testimony that Trump did NOT instruct him to lie to congress.  Look it up.


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: wvit1001 on 03 14, 19, 08:41:06:PM
you can do some research dan, maybe then you won't need to be so dishonest.


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: Dan on 03 14, 19, 08:44:43:PM
I did.  That's how I know you're lying, wvit.


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: Dan on 03 14, 19, 08:46:20:PM
Go ahead, look it up.  Cohen retracted his earlier testimony where he said Trump told him to lie to Congress.  Now he says it never happened.

BYW, why isn't Adam Schiff in jail now for suborning perjury?


Title: Re: Email Show's Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon
Post by: wvit1001 on 03 14, 19, 08:47:08:PM
evidently you haven't dan.   either that or it's just more of your dishonesty.   

i'd say it's just more of your dishonesty that you've been caught in once again.

maybe you can call up your various persona's to help you out here.