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Title: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 01:13:56:PM
Mother, 38, is arrested in front of her children and locked in a cell for seven HOURS after calling a transgender woman a man on Twitter
  • Police officers detained Kate Scottow, 38, at her home in Hitchin, Hertfordshire
  • More than two months after her arrest and she has had neither her mobile phone or laptop returned
  • The complaints made by activist Stephanie Hayden led to arrest of Mrs Scottow
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6687123/Mother-arrested-children-calling-transgender-woman-man.html


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 01:16:51:PM
harassing people like she was doing is against the law in England.


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 01:18:30:PM
How is speaking truth harassment!

Do you endorse this kind of infringement on free speech?


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 01:19:47:PM
Kate Scottow used two Twitter accounts, under different names, to unleash a 'campaign of harassment' against Stephanie Hayden, a court said

High court papers, obtained by the Mail on Sunday, state that Mrs Scottow’s actions were allegedly motivated by Miss Hayden’s “status as a transgender woman.”

The 38-year-old was quizzed at a police station and had her DNA and fingerprints taken.

She remains under investigation following her arrest on December 1.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8397760/mum-calls-trans-woman-man-arrested-kids/


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 01:21:21:PM
Aside from referring to Miss Hayden as a male, the mum-of-two also called her “racist, xenophobic and a crook” while also branding her a “fake lawyer.”

Mrs Scottow said she has a “genuine and reasonable belief” that a person “cannot practically speaking change sex”.

She denied harassing or defaming Miss Hayden.

Deputy Judge Jason Coppel QC issued the interim injunction banning her from posting personal information about the activist and lawyer.


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 01:22:27:PM
How is speaking truth harassment!

Do you endorse this kind of infringement on free speech?
                                                                                                                                       


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 01:23:59:PM
calling her a fake lawyer, a crook, a racist is the truth?   how do you know d2?


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 01:25:50:PM
How is speaking truth harassment!


Do you endorse this kind of infringement on free speech?

Seems the Nazis won and are now running the UK!

Sad to see a once great nation laid low by socialists!


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 01:27:09:PM
calling her a fake lawyer, a crook, a racist is the truth?   how do you know d2?


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: Oscar_LaVista on 02 11, 19, 01:27:24:PM
don't worry, DVD.  if you are any other trump voter is arrested by the thought police, you will be found innocent of having any. 


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 01:28:28:PM
How is speaking truth harassment!

Do you endorse this kind of infringement on free speech?

Seems the Nazis won and are now running the UK!

Sad to see a once great nation laid low by socialists!


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 01:42:43:PM
you just keep repeating yourself goofy.    you say she was telling the truth but you haven't said how do you know she's a fake lawyer, a racist, or a crook?


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 01:49:54:PM
Do you endorse this kind of infringement on free speech?


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 01:53:05:PM
Calling someone a crook, a fake lawyer, and racist in public isn't free speech goofy.   It's slander.


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 01:55:19:PM
Nope it is expressing an opinion!

To be slander you have to not only have the intent to harm but the ability to do so!

That isn't the case in this case!

Again I ask, do you endorse this kind of infringement on free speech?

Apparently, the answer is yes!


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 01:57:41:PM
Under Article 10 of the Human Rights Act 1998, “everyone has the right to freedom of expression” in the UK. But the law states that this freedom “may be subject to formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society”.

Those restrictions may be “in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 01:58:58:PM
So it says you have the right to free expression unless the government doesn't like your expression!

That means you have no right to free expression!

Do you endorse this kind of infringement on free speech?


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 02:00:14:PM
England and Wales have relatively strict libel laws ("defamation" in Scotland) in that they are often considered pro plaintiff with the defendant asked to prove that they did not commit libel. Compensation awards for libel are also unlimited, in contrast to those for personal injury. Further controversy surrounds the libel laws with regard to costs. Whilst costs can be awarded the ability both to bring and to defend libel cases is often considered to be restricted to the wealthy. Conversely it is possible to initiate a "no win – no fee" case against a wealthy individual or organisation if the individual bringing the case has insignificant assets as even if the case is lost the wealthy individual or organisation are unable to recover their costs. Typically in such cases an out of court settlement is forced upon the wealthy individual or organisation.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_defamation_law


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 02:01:28:PM
You still have to prove damages!

No such proof is forthcoming!

Again, you are confusing civil action with criminal action!


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 02:03:27:PM
According to English law it looks like the woman will have to prove that the target of her abuse is actually a crook, a fake lawyer and a racist like she was claiming.

You make sure and keep us updated on how this case turns out in the English courts d2.


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 02:05:25:PM
Nope!

The accuser will have to prove her speech damaged his ability to earn income!

The accuser will have to prove he/she/it lost clients as a result of her speech!

Can he/she/it?

Also the he/she/it is a public person/activist therefore the standard increases!

Otherwise politicians could sue their opponents for expressing opinions about them!

Again you have confused civil with criminal!


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 02:07:24:PM
....  the defendant asked to prove that they did not commit libel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_defamation_law


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 02:09:37:PM
where do you get your information on British law goofy?   I don't see anything like what you described in their laws.

you surely have a link or source don't you?    or are you just making up stuff again like you usually do?


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 02:26:07:PM
Nope!

The accuser will have to prove her speech damaged his ability to earn income!

The accuser will have to prove he/she/it lost clients as a result of her speech!

Can he/she/it?

Also the he/she/it is a public person/activist therefore the standard increases!

Otherwise politicians could sue their opponents for expressing opinions about them!

Again you have confused civil with criminal!


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 02:27:42:PM
Do you endorse this kind of infringement on free speech?


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 02:32:40:PM
so you're just making up stuff again.   hahahahhahahahhahahaa


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 02:33:47:PM
From your source, fool:
English law allows actions for libel to be brought in the High Court (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Court) for any published statements which are alleged to defame a named or identifiable individual(s) (under English law companies are legal persons, and may bring suit for defamation[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_defamation_law#cite_note-indiana1-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_defamation_law#cite_note-google1-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_defamation_law#cite_note-lexology1-3)) in a manner which causes them loss in their trade or profession, or causes a reasonable person to think worse of him, her or them. Allowable defences are justification (i.e. the truth of the statement), fair comment (i.e., whether the statement was a view that a reasonable person could have held), and privilege (i.e., whether the statements were made in Parliament or in court, or whether they were fair reports of allegations in the public interest). An offer of amends is a barrier to litigation. A defamatory statement is presumed to be false, unless the defendant can prove its truth. Furthermore, to collect compensatory damages, a public official or public figure must prove actual malice (knowing falsity or reckless disregard for the truth). A private individual must only prove negligence (not exercising due care) to collect compensatory damages. In order to collect punitive damages, all individuals must prove actual malice.

Again, this is a civil action not a criminal action the police acted stupidly and stole from her!


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: omiaqt on 02 11, 19, 02:39:06:PM
Those living in Englang would know best, but in the good old USA it would be a civil issue, not criminal...otherwise many of the posters on this board would be in prison for slander against President Trump.


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 02:46:01:PM
... in a manner which causes them loss in their trade or profession, or causes a reasonable person to think worse of him, her or them.


you don't think calling a lawyer a fake lawyer, a crook, and a racist would make someone thinl worse of them d2?


you keep up with this and tell us how the case turns out ok.


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: 1965hawks on 02 11, 19, 02:47:09:PM
d2dvd!,

Your logical fallacy: repeated assertion (also known as argumentum ad nauseam, proof by assertion, nagging argument)

All you're doing here is making the same argument(s) over and over again in place of better supported evidence, even after your arguments have been shown to be fallacious.


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: omiaqt on 02 11, 19, 02:50:25:PM
Why don't you explain British law to us, ms hawk1965?


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 03:18:13:PM
Yet 1965hawks, you cannot prove anything I posted is incorrect!

That is why you fall back on nonsense!


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 03:29:36:PM
why do you make stuff up the way you do d2?   is that really the extent of your intelligence, to be a goofy troll?


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 03:47:55:PM
???

What did I make up?


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 03:50:46:PM
hahahahahahahaha.   you're such a goof


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wmdn_bs on 02 11, 19, 03:59:19:PM
D2D is trolling. It's better to ignore the child.


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 04:04:25:PM
Democrats continue to prove they have NOTHING!


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 04:07:41:PM
(http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/huh.gif)


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 04:09:13:PM
What is the matter goofy?

I asked you a question and all you responded with was childish name calling!

Put up or shut up!


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 04:10:10:PM
hahahahahhahahaha. 


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 04:11:37:PM
Democrats continue to prove they have NOTHING!


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 04:12:10:PM
Mother, 38, is arrested in front of her children and locked in a cell for seven HOURS after calling a transgender woman a man on Twitter
  • Police officers detained Kate Scottow, 38, at her home in Hitchin, Hertfordshire
  • More than two months after her arrest and she has had neither her mobile phone or laptop returned
  • The complaints made by activist Stephanie Hayden led to arrest of Mrs Scottow
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6687123/Mother-arrested-children-calling-transgender-woman-man.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6687123/Mother-arrested-children-calling-transgender-woman-man.html)
                                                                                                                                       


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 04:40:42:PM
hahahhahahahaha.   what an idiot you are d2. 


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 11, 19, 04:53:55:PM
Democrats continue to prove they have NOTHING!

Wvit admits to being against free speech!


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 11, 19, 04:57:04:PM
hahahahahhaha.  you're such a goof


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 12, 19, 04:15:20:PM
Democrats continue to prove they have NOTHING!

Wvit admits to being against free speech!
                                                                                                                                       


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: wvit1001 on 02 12, 19, 04:30:02:PM
hahahahahhaha.  you're such a goof


Title: Re: Thought police coming here if Democrats get their way!
Post by: D2D on 02 12, 19, 04:31:48:PM
Mother, 38, is arrested in front of her children and locked in a cell for seven HOURS after calling a transgender woman a man on Twitter
  • Police officers detained Kate Scottow, 38, at her home in Hitchin, Hertfordshire
  • More than two months after her arrest and she has had neither her mobile phone or laptop returned
  • The complaints made by activist Stephanie Hayden led to arrest of Mrs Scottow
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6687123/Mother-arrested-children-calling-transgender-woman-man.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6687123/Mother-arrested-children-calling-transgender-woman-man.html)