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Title: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wall
Post by: wvit1001 on 01 10, 19, 12:15:49:PM
Despite Repeatedly Saying They Would




Yet during his 2016 campaign, the president said he would demand that Mexico make a “one-time payment” for the border wall. Trump added that if Mexico refused, he would punish them through trade tariffs, canceling visas and disbanding remittances from undocumented Mexicans in the U.S.

“It's an easy decision for Mexico, make a one-time payment of $5 [billion] to $10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year,” Trump’s campaign said at the time. “We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage.”

In a televised town hall with Fox News host Sean Hannity in April 2016, Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall “one hundred percent.”

“They’ll pay in one form or another, they might even write us a check by the time they see what happens,” Trump added, drawing applause from the crowd.

But President Trump changed his tune on Thursday, telling reporters that Mexico will "indirectly" pay for the wall through a new trade deal that has yet to be approved by Congress.



https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-never-meant-mexico-directly-pay-border-wall-1287010


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: chuck_curtis on 01 10, 19, 12:17:29:PM
I never expected that Mexico would directly pay for the wall, did you?


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: gwboolean on 01 10, 19, 12:19:45:PM
No expected that Mexico would pay for the wall.  So why did you and your Fuhrer promise something that you never had any intentions of delivering then ChucK3y Boy?


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: wvit1001 on 01 10, 19, 12:20:07:PM
trump said they would when he convinced you wingnuts about his plan to build a wall.


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: Sadie402 on 01 10, 19, 12:56:30:PM
Trump never meant a damn thing in his lefe.


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: Oscar_LaVista on 01 10, 19, 12:57:23:PM
of course he meant directly.  and raising or lowering tariffs between this country and Mexico has no effect on federal revenue, so how can it be used to build a wall?  It shows that fundamentally Trump does not have a clue how economics and government and revenue and deficits and balance sheets and accounting works.  Let us say Trump raises tariffs on Mexican goods so that American companies can compete without having to lower their prices.....who pays the difference- the government of Mexico and its taxpayers? No.  the American companies?  hell to the no.  the correct answer is C- AMERICAN CONSUMERS.  Trump believes Americans paying higher prices for some goods and products somehow pays for a useless fucking wall. 


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: wvit1001 on 01 10, 19, 12:59:12:PM
In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and that nothing was true. ... Mass propaganda discovered that its audience was ready at all times to believe the worst, no matter how absurd, and did not particularly object to being deceived because it held every statement to be a lie anyhow. The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness.”

—Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: wvit1001 on 01 10, 19, 01:01:22:PM
The Origins of Totalitarianism is a 1951 book by Hannah Arendt, wherein she describes and analyzes Nazism and Stalinism, the major totalitarian political movements of the first half of the 20th century. The book is regularly listed as one of the best non-fiction books of the 20th century.


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: warrenpees on 01 10, 19, 01:02:47:PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/LXdSqHhRvvg


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: wvit1001 on 01 10, 19, 01:04:21:PM
... Intellectual, spiritual, and artistic initiative is as dangerous to totalitarianism as the gangster initiative of the mob, and both are more dangerous than mere political opposition. The consistent persecution of every higher form of intellectual activity by the new mass leaders springs from more than their natural resentment against everything they cannot understand. Total domination does not allow for free initiative in any field of life, for any activity that is not entirely predictable. Totalitarianism in power invariably replaces all first-rate talents, regardless of their sympathies, with those crackpots and fools whose lack of intelligence and creativity is still the best guarantee of their loyalty. .

—Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: chuck_curtis on 01 10, 19, 01:04:52:PM
I never expected one could keep his actual doctor either, but that's another story.


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: Oscar_LaVista on 01 10, 19, 01:08:02:PM
I never expected one could keep his actual doctor either, but that's another story.

and yet, you would be wrong once more, sonny!!

from a fox channel affiliate-

Here’s what you need to know to get up to speed:


The problem


Insurers are sending cancellation notices to some of the 12 million Americans whose individual policies don’t meet Obamacare requirements for more comprehensive care.


The law does not require cancellation of policies that were issued before the new law passed Congress in 2010. But people whose policies have changed since then must get polices that conform to the new requirements. In 2010, the Health and Human Services Department estimated that 40% to 67% of individual plans would eventually lose their “grandfathered” status.


Some insurance companies also appear to be canceling policies for other reasons, such as withdrawing from states where they have fewer subscribers.




so, everybody who paid attention knew that obamacare does not force any cancellation of any policy issued before 2010, and ONLY THOSE WHOSE POLICIES HAVE CHANGED MUST NOW GET POLICIES THAT CONFORM TO THE REFORM MANDATES CONCERNING PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS, CAPPED BENEFITS, AND CANCELING THOSE WHO DEVELOP EXPENSIVE DISEASES.....so who is forcing any of these private insurers to change the old policies and therefore allow their customers to keep the craptastic insurance they had before obamacare?  answer...NOBODY...they choose to change their policies or cancel them.  get it?

Read more: http://fox40.com/2013/11/08/after-obamas-apology-talk-of-solutions-and-still-the-website/#ixzz2kWNlq2UU)


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: chuck_curtis on 01 10, 19, 01:09:06:PM
Well, we each have our long-form explanations after the fact, don't we.  This is no exception.


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: Oscar_LaVista on 01 10, 19, 01:10:49:PM
Well we all have our long form explanations after the fact, don't we.

yeah, democrats use true facts to explain the real deal to hapless dopes who vote for Trump. 

this info came from a Fox affiliate who fact checked Obama's claim.  get it?

from a fox channel affiliate-

Here’s what you need to know to get up to speed:


The problem


Insurers are sending cancellation notices to some of the 12 million Americans whose individual policies don’t meet Obamacare requirements for more comprehensive care.


The law does not require cancellation of policies that were issued before the new law passed Congress in 2010. But people whose policies have changed since then must get polices that conform to the new requirements. In 2010, the Health and Human Services Department estimated that 40% to 67% of individual plans would eventually lose their “grandfathered” status.


Some insurance companies also appear to be canceling policies for other reasons, such as withdrawing from states where they have fewer subscribers.




so, everybody who paid attention knew that obamacare does not force any cancellation of any policy issued before 2010, and ONLY THOSE WHOSE POLICIES HAVE CHANGED MUST NOW GET POLICIES THAT CONFORM TO THE REFORM MANDATES CONCERNING PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS, CAPPED BENEFITS, AND CANCELING THOSE WHO DEVELOP EXPENSIVE DISEASES.....so who is forcing any of these private insurers to change the old policies and therefore allow their customers to keep the craptastic insurance they had before obamacare?  answer...NOBODY...they choose to change their policies or cancel them.  get it?

Read more: http://fox40.com/2013/11/08/after-obamas-apology-talk-of-solutions-and-still-the-website/#ixzz2kWNlq2UU)


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: wvit1001 on 01 10, 19, 01:27:17:PM
Trump's campaign website said Mexico would "make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/09/all-of-trumps-campaign-statements-just-vanished-from-his-website-so-lets-remember-them/?utm_term=.ffb002504589


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: Oscar_LaVista on 01 10, 19, 01:29:42:PM
making consumers pay more for certain products does not in any way pay for a wall. 


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: warrenpees on 01 10, 19, 03:39:41:PM
When shown video of the many times Trump assured his cult followers that Mexico would pay for the wall, chuck shifts into Obama mode.


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: chuck_curtis on 01 10, 19, 04:24:57:PM
I never expected that Mexico would directly pay for the wall, did you?


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: warrenpees on 01 10, 19, 07:26:12:PM
Of course I didn't.  Only fuckwit trumpies ever believed they would.


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: warrenpees on 01 10, 19, 07:27:47:PM
FYI spellcheck can spell fuckwit now.


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: Oscar_LaVista on 01 10, 19, 07:34:13:PM
hey, chuckie suck up doll, did you believe trump when he was televised telling Schumer and Pelosi he would love to take the blame for the shutdown, that he would never blame democrats for the shutdown!!

chuck is a great suck-up....


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: chuck_curtis on 01 10, 19, 07:40:13:PM
You're blaming Trump and he's taking it.  LOL


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: sine-qua-non on 01 10, 19, 07:43:29:PM
I never expected that Mexico would directly pay for the wall, did you?


Of course he never said they would “directly” pay for a wall, but indirectly.


Only a leftarded lunatic would think he said “pay directly” as we see here ! (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/rolleyes.gif)


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: wvit1001 on 01 10, 19, 07:45:10:PM
well yeah sine, trump did say that Mexico would directly pay for his wall.


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: chuck_curtis on 01 10, 19, 07:46:14:PM
The Mexican president told everyone he would not send Trump a check, a long time ago, though now he surely regrets that.   


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: wvit1001 on 01 10, 19, 07:49:52:PM
"I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I'll have Mexico pay for that wall," Trump said in June 2015.

Additionally, the Trump campaign released a plan designed to coerce Mexico to make a direct payment of $5 billion to $10 billion that would go toward the wall.

"It's an easy decision for Mexico: Make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year," a plan from the campaign says.

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: sine-qua-non on 01 10, 19, 07:51:57:PM
So, Trump wa correct again (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/107w9oy.gif)(http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/hattip.gif)(http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/107w9oy.gif)

Much to zippy here’s and thenlying lefturds shagrin (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/cheesy.gif)


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: Truman62 on 01 10, 19, 08:09:37:PM
Maybe we can get "covfefe" to pay for the wall?


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: wvit1001 on 01 10, 19, 08:12:10:PM
trump says his suckers support the taxpayers paying for the wall.


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: justincase on 01 10, 19, 08:14:16:PM
Showing them proof does no good. The truth is anathema to them. It's quite like dracula being shown a cross!  LOL!!


(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5sJMjwTZcLo/VrPDmXYU5nI/AAAAAAAAHKw/ikv_HiW8yMw/s1600/capture_020_14082013_103759.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: dont-biameme on 01 10, 19, 08:19:57:PM
I know all abut anathema!

Jock itch medicine clears it right up!


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: justincase on 01 10, 19, 08:30:27:PM
LOL!


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: sine-qua-non on 01 11, 19, 02:18:57:PM
Showing us the truth with your stupid lying made up memes?

How’s that working out for you?



Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: chuck_curtis on 01 11, 19, 10:42:45:PM
To anyone who thought Trump meant that Mexico was going to pay for the wall by no means other than by writing a check, I have news for you --- you thought wrong. You weren't paying attention.  If you thought Trump meant Mexico would pay for the wall, congratulations, you were paying attention.

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F39h7nwbvrw&feature=youtube.com/v&t=397

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRWlF92PHHw&feature=youtube.com/v&t=1035


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: JigSaw-II on 01 11, 19, 10:51:55:PM
trump is going to pay dearly for his wall.  Not only his wall but for the shutdown his wall caused.  trump will regret the day he even mentioned the wall...


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: justincase on 01 11, 19, 10:52:13:PM
It helps when you understand what is actually going on. What they are saying is that douchebag donnie is lying when he says he never said Mexico would write a check for the wall. He DID say that, and whether or not he had other ways in mind is beside the point. The fucker is lying when he says he never said it!


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: warrenpees on 01 12, 19, 06:48:04:AM
https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/01/11/trump-mexico-wall-payment/


Title: Re: Trump Says He 'Never Meant' that Mexico Would Directly Pay for Wal
Post by: sine-qua-non on 01 14, 19, 05:43:35:PM
Si, senor Trump has muy pesos he never
Say he want pesos for a wall (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/hattip.gif)