Critics immediately panned President Donald Trump’s prime-time speech pushing for a U.S.-Mexico border wall for its numerous lies and misrepresentations, even on the president’s favorite network.

Fox News anchor Shepard Smith challenged many of Trump’s claims by using the government’s own numbers.

After Trump said that “innocent people” are being “horribly victimized” by immigrants who commit crimes, Smith quickly added perspective.

“The government’s statistics show that there is less violent crime by the undocumented immigrant population than by the general population,” he said.

Trump also argued for his wall by saying that immigrants carry illegal drugs across the border, but Smith pointed out that a wall wouldn’t make much difference there.

“Government statistics show much of the heroin actually comes not over the unguarded border but through ports of call,” he said.

Smith continued:

“He talks about undocumented crossings over the past months. In fact, the number of undocumented crossings over the southern border has been steadily down over the last 10 years and the government reports that there is more outward traffic than inward traffic.”

Smith also pushed back on Trump’s claims that Mexico will pay for the wall via a revised trade deal.

Having failed to force Mexico to pay for a border wall as he promised he would, President Donald Trump on Friday repeated his false claim that a tweaked North American Free Trade Agreement is effectively making that country pay.

“We will be making billions and billions of dollars a year more money. And that is paying for the wall. Many, many times over,” Trump said in another rambling, hourlong news conference filled with such falsehoods.

“What we save on that just with Mexico will pay for the wall many times over just in a period of a year, two years, or three years. So I view that as, absolutely, Mexico is paying for the wall,” he claimed.

Outside economists and trade experts, however, said the revised NAFTA ― which Trump has rebranded as the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement ― will not bring into the U.S. Treasury anywhere near what is necessary to pay for a wall. Even more important: What extra money does come in will be from tariffs, which are paid by Americans, not Mexico.

“It’s not true,” said Monica de Bolle, a trade expert at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, of Trump’s claim. “What it really is is American consumers paying higher prices for stuff. So it’s the American consumer who’s paying for the wall, if you want to look at it that way. It’s just total crazyland, and it’s only going to get worse.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/424474-fox-newss-shep-smith-immediately-fact-check-trump-address

So WE are unwilling to save ONE innocent life...Yeah nothing immoral about that.

do you really think no matter what kind of wall we put up along every square inch of our border it would stop everyone from being able to come into our country when more than half do not cross any unmarked port of entry or through the existing fencing we have in place?  why are you so stupid? here is the fencing, barriers already in place and in place for about a decade-

(http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/richedit/upload/2k8b414666ee.png)

sine has no problem in having the federal government seize millions of acres of private property.

JW has no problem with his leaders being led by lucifarians (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/evil.gif)

Tells one to leave that one in the gutter where it belongs ! (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/hattip.gif)

Do the dead speak to us sine?   I know Catholics who speak to and worship a bunch of dead saints.

To: sine-qua-non and baretta19

Even GOP-TV (Fox "news") called your motherfucking Dear Leader's wall speech bullshit. LOL
 
http://www.newshounds.us/fox_news_called_trump_address_spiel_010719

Then they aren’t really Christian, are they nitwit   (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/rolleyes.gif)

So, now you know  !

No boo boob, they did not, they approved and verified it dumbass ! LOL

are Catholics Christians sine?

according to the Catholics Christians are any person who is baptized and has faith in Christ. 

According to Democrats, thousands of undocumented foreigners storming the border throwing rocks at Border Patrol, millions of aliens living in the United States illegally; criminal aliens violently attacking, raping and murdering Americans is a manufactured crisis.

Do ya really think Americans buy that chit?   LOL    Youse commies are on the way out.

chuck_curtis: According to Democrats, blah blah blah....

Sit down and shut the fuck up, chuck_curtis!

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-gets-instant-fact-check-from-fox-news-shepard-smith-after-oval-office-speech

It's a manufactured crisis alright, but Trump's not the manufacturer.

Why is this a "crisis" now?   Illegal border crossing have been dropping for years.

Because it has been ignored for so long.

Invader caravans never happened before, have they ?

Why now is the question nitwit here is afraid to answer (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/rolleyes.gif)

The commies want to get the government running and deal with the issue later.    It's been years already.

what issue?   

Ask Schumer.  He's the one who suggested dealing with the issue later.    It's been years already.

To: chuck_curtis, sine-qua-non, and baretta19

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-border-speech-fox-news_us_5c356ed3e4b0dbd06601649c

Yeah, we know, hawksbaby.   You found another article on the interwebs you like.  We each have our favorites.

chuck_curtis,

You can't defend the lies your Dear Leader's told in his wall speech and, evidently, you can't refute those who fact-checked them. So the best thing you can do is sit down and shut the fuck up, Chuckles.

http://www.newshounds.us/fox_news_called_trump_address_spiel_010719

 

See?

Zippy here is afraid to answer my question/s ever

For lying assed boo boob !
FOX NEWS FIRST: Trump outlines 'humanitarian crisis' at border while Dems in denial

did they happen before?   I think they did, caravans and migrants have been coming to America's borders for years sine.

Chuck is such a goddamn chickenshit he lies about thousands storming borders, about them being invaders, about every goddamn thing connected to his chickenshit fear of blacks, latinos, women, foreigners, muslims, literate people, bigger than average toddlers, gays, his own shadow, and spiders.  what a fucking chickenshit!!  and a liar to boot, if i had boots on. 

Trump's speech was 100% accurate.  What are you talking about?

Even CNN HAD to admit it was accurate.  Even the hate Trump media.  Even the radical left media.  Even TDS leftists.

Sit down an shut the fuck up, sine-qua-nonsense! The only crisis on the border is the bogus one that exists as a figment or your Dear Leader's vivid--and warped--imagination.

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2019/01/08/president-trump-makes-his-case-border-wall-citing-crisis-soul


anchoragedan,

Your Dear Leader's wall speech was 100% bullshit, your denial of reality notwithstanding.

Take your own advice 69BirdShitfoBrains (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/cheesy.gif)

https://youtube.com/v/ROG6hxYSWwk

I’ll believe a reporter that actually went to Barry’s house

Over the words of buttsore loser morally bankrupt lying lefturds who never went to find out (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/hattip.gif)

sine-qua-nutcase,

Where's your proof that Breaking News: Global 24/7 is actually a reliable source of information and that "conservative reporter" Benny Jackson actually visited the Obamas' residence. It all looks like a spoof to me, on of those satirical news sites. You know, fake new.

Only your favorite propaganda site CNN has been exposed repeatedly as FAKE news 69BirdShitfoBrains !

Probably why you are so confused here on a daily basis. (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/rolleyes.gif)

Trump got the facts wrong:

At one point, Trump said, “One in three women are sexually assaulted on their dangerous treck up through Mexico. Women and children are the biggest victims, by far, of our broken system.”

CBS then posted a “fact check” on Twitter and on its website stating that the president was wrong.

“Fact check: Between 60 and 80 percent of female migrants traveling through Mexico are raped along the way, Amnesty International estimates,” the network stated.

CBS later deleted the tweet and the portion of the fact check from its fact check article (https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/trump-primetime-address-to-nation-speech-announcement-border-wall-fight-government-shutdown-today/), but it can still be seen on an archived version (https://web.archive.org/web/20190109022439/https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/trump-primetime-address-to-nation-speech-announcement-border-wall-fight-government-shutdown-today/) of the page.

The deleted portion of the fact check was also still up on affiliates, such as Wink News (https://www.winknews.com/2019/01/08/trump-urges-wall-funding-to-fix-border-crisis/). CBS has not explained why it removed the fact check.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/news-station-fires-editor-for-doctoring-trump-video_2763101.html

do you have any proof CBS deleted that overestimate from Amnesty International?  they are not known as a reliable source, you know.  maybe that is why, if CBS did delete an estimate...an estimate...from Amnesty International, it was because their estimate was wildly inflated based on.....what? here is what one article said- 

There is one unit in Mexico that is committed to investigating and prosecuting crimes against migrants, Erin Siegal McIntyre, one of the Fusion reporters who wrote the sexual violence story, told HuffPost Live.

Yet, though thousands of women are passing through Mexico, the unit reported that it’s seen only six cases of assault against migrant women this year, which includes kidnapping, rape and armed robbery.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html

In 2005, Amnesty International claimed that the United States was a human rights offender. The White House rejected these allegations, stating that they were unsupported by facts.[7]

Russian dissident Pavel Litvinov has said of AI's criticism of the US: "y using hyperbole and muddling the difference between repressive regimes and the imperfections of democracy, Amnesty's spokesmen put its authority at risk. U.S. human rights violations seem almost trifling in comparison with those committed by Cuba, South Korea, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia."[28]

Former U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld believed the comments were "reprehensible", Vice President Dick Cheney said he was "offended", and President Bush said he believed the report was "absurd". The Washington Post editorialized that "lately the organization has tended to save its most vitriolic condemnations not for the world's dictators but for the United States."[32]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Amnesty_International

wrong again, lying bitch. maybe if you ever learn to read, you won't lie so fucking much...but I doubt it..

from the first post on this thread, FROM FOX, hardly a liberal media, dumbass lying stooge-

Critics immediately panned President Donald Trump’s prime-time speech pushing for a U.S.-Mexico border wall for its numerous lies and misrepresentations, even on the president’s favorite network.

Fox News anchor Shepard Smith challenged many of Trump’s claims by using the government’s own numbers.

After Trump said that “innocent people” are being “horribly victimized” by immigrants who commit crimes, Smith quickly added perspective.

“The government’s statistics show that there is less violent crime by the undocumented immigrant population than by the general population,” he said.

Trump also argued for his wall by saying that immigrants carry illegal drugs across the border, but Smith pointed out that a wall wouldn’t make much difference there.

“Government statistics show much of the heroin actually comes not over the unguarded border but through ports of call,” he said.

Smith continued:

“He talks about undocumented crossings over the past months. In fact, the number of undocumented crossings over the southern border has been steadily down over the last 10 years and the government reports that there is more outward traffic than inward traffic.”

Smith also pushed back on Trump’s claims that Mexico will pay for the wall via a revised trade deal.

Having failed to force Mexico to pay for a border wall as he promised he would, President Donald Trump on Friday repeated his false claim that a tweaked North American Free Trade Agreement is effectively making that country pay.

“We will be making billions and billions of dollars a year more money. And that is paying for the wall. Many, many times over,” Trump said in another rambling, hourlong news conference filled with such falsehoods.

“What we save on that just with Mexico will pay for the wall many times over just in a period of a year, two years, or three years. So I view that as, absolutely, Mexico is paying for the wall,” he claimed.

Outside economists and trade experts, however, said the revised NAFTA ― which Trump has rebranded as the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement ― will not bring into the U.S. Treasury anywhere near what is necessary to pay for a wall. Even more important: What extra money does come in will be from tariffs, which are paid by Americans, not Mexico.

“It’s not true,” said Monica de Bolle, a trade expert at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, of Trump’s claim. “What it really is is American consumers paying higher prices for stuff. So it’s the American consumer who’s paying for the wall, if you want to look at it that way. It’s just total crazyland, and it’s only going to get worse.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/424474-fox-newss-shep-smith-immediately-fact-check-trump-address

The crime rate among illegal immigrants in Arizona is twice that of other residents, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Friday, citing a new report based on conviction data.

The report, from the Crime Prevention Research Center, used a previously untapped set of data from Arizona that detailed criminal convictions and found that illegal immigrants
between 15 and 35 are less than 3 percent of the state’s population, but nearly 8 percent of its prison population.

And the crimes they were convicted of were, on the whole, more serious, said John R. Lott Jr., the report’s author and president of the research center.

His findings also challenge the general narrative that immigrants commit fewer crimes. Those past studies usually don’t look at legal versus illegal populations, Mr. Lott said.

Mr. Lott said the Arizona data is able to peek behind that curtain, and the differences between the populations were stark.

“There appears to be a huge difference between the two groups,” Mr. Lott said. “The type of person who goes through the process to legally immigrate in the United States appears to
be very law-abiding versus even the U.S.-born population. The reverse is true for undocumented immigrants — they are committing crimes, and more serious crimes.”

Among nearly 4,000 first- and second-degree murder convictions, undocumented immigrants accounted for nearly 13 percent — significantly higher than their percentage of the population.
Legal immigrants, by contrast, were less than 1 percent of convicts. Native-born made up the rest.

Undocumented immigrants also accounted for five times the rate of convictions for money laundering and kidnapping, and were three times more likely to be convicted of drive-by shootings.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/26/illegals-commit-crimes-double-rate-native-born-stu/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/illegal-immigrant-crime-rates/

http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/23/illegal-aliens-crime-tucker/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/illegal-immigration-crime-us-civil-rights-commission/

https://www.dailywire.com/news/10155/9-things-you-need-know-about-illegal-immigration-aaron-bandler


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYoSldOwNoI

Seems Shep was wrong!

One County Saw a 27% Drop in Assaults After It Helped Enforce Immigration Law. Here’s the Rest of the Story.


For more go to Daily Signal (http://dailysignal.com/2017/02/27/one-county-saw-a-27-drop-in-assaults-after-it-helped-enforce-immigration-law-heres-the-rest-of-the-story/)

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The findings of this analysis show that if a border wall stopped a small fraction of the illegal immigrants who are expected to come in the next decade, the fiscal savings
from having fewer illegal immigrants in the country would be sufficient to cover the costs of the wall. This analysis takes the likely education level of illegal border-crossers
and applies fiscal estimates developed by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (NAS) for immigrants by education level. NAS calculates the future fiscal
balance immigrants create — taxes paid minus costs. NAS reports fiscal balances as "net present values", which places a lower value on future expenditures than on current expenditures.
Based on the NAS data, illegal border-crossers create an average fiscal burden of approximately $74,722 during their lifetimes, excluding any costs for their U.S.-born children.
If a border wall stopped between 160,000 and 200,000 illegal crossers — 9 to 12 percent of those expected to successfully cross in the next decade — the fiscal savings would equal the $12 to $15 billion cost of the wall.1

Among the findings:

    There is agreement among researchers that illegal immigrants overwhelmingly have modest levels of education — most have not completed high school or have only a high school education.
    There is also agreement that immigrants who come to America with modest levels of education create significantly more in costs for government than they pay in taxes.
    A recent NAS study estimated the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) of immigrants by education. Averaging the cost estimates from that study and combining them
    with the education levels of illegal border-crossers shows a net fiscal drain of $74,722 per illegal crosser.2

    The above figures are only for the original illegal immigrants and do not include any costs for their U.S.-born descendants. If we use the NAS projections that include the descendants,
    the fiscal drain for border-crossers grows to $94,391 each.

    If a border wall prevented 160,000 to 200,000 illegal crossings (excluding descendants) in the next 10 years it would be enough to pay for the estimated $12 to $15 billion costs of the wall.
    Newly released research by the Institute for Defense Analyses (IDA) done for the Department of Homeland Security indicates that 170,000 illegal immigrants crossed the border successfully
    without going through a port of entry in 2015.3 While a significant decline in crossings from a decade ago, it still means that there may be 1.7 million successful crossings in the next decade.
    If a wall stopped just 9 to 12 percent of these crossings it would pay for itself.

    If a wall stopped half of those expected to successfully enter illegally without going through a port of entry at the southern border over the next 10 years, it would save taxpayers nearly
    $64 billion — several times the wall's cost.

Important Caveats and Observations About These Estimates

    In addition to crossing the border surreptitiously, aliens join the illegal population primarily by overstaying a temporary visa. A southern border wall would not address this part of the illegal flow.
    A large share of the net fiscal cost of illegal immigrants is at the state and local level, not the federal level. The costs of building the wall will be borne by the federal government.
    To create its long-term fiscal estimates for immigrants by education level, the NAS uses the concept of "net present value" (NPV). This concept, which is commonly used by economists, has the
    effect of reducing the size of the net fiscal drain that unskilled immigrants will create in the future. The NAS does this because costs or benefits years from now are valued less in economics
    relative to more immediate costs. But this means the actual net lifetime fiscal cost of illegal border-crossers, given their education levels, is possibly $140,000 to $150,000 each in their lifetimes
    if the NPV concept is not used.4

For more go to CIS (http://cis.org/The-Cost-of-a-Border-Wall-vs-the-Cost-of-Illegal-Immigration/)!

A total  of 58,766 known  or suspected  aliens  were in  in  DOJ custody  at the end of  FY 2017, including  39,455 persons  in  BOP custody  and 19,311 in  USMS custody.
Of this  total,  37,557 people had been  confirmed  by U.S. Immigration  and Customs  Enforcement (ICE) to be aliens  (i.e., non-citizens  and  non-nationals),  while  21,209
foreign-born  people were still  under  investigation  by  ICE to determine  alienage.
Among  the  37,557 confirmed  aliens,  35,334 people (94 percent)  were unlawfully  present.  These numbers include a 92 percent  unlawful  rate among  24,476 confirmed  aliens  in 
BOP custody  and a 97 percent unlawful rate among  13,081 confirmed  aliens  in  USMS custody.
This  report  does not include  data on  the  foreign-born  or alien  populations  in  state  prisons and local  jails  because state  and local  facilities  do not  routinely  provide 
DHS or DOJ with comprehensive  information  about  their  inmates  and detainees.  This  limitation  is noteworthy because  state and local  facilities  account  for  approximately 90
percent of  the total  U.S. incarcerated  population.  DHS and DOJ are working  to develop  a reliable  methodology  for estimating  the status  of state and  local  incarcerated populations  in  future  reports.


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/12/21/doj-releases-new-numbers-oneinfive-federal-prisoners-are-foreign-born-n2425834

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Alien_Incarceration_Report_OIS_FY17_Q4_2.pdf


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421673/report-us-spent-187-billion-incarcerate-illegal-immigrant-criminals-2014-joel-gehrke

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In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a
two-year period in just one U.S.district court were not U.S. citizens.[1] (https://www.heritage.org/report/the-threat-non-citizen-voting#_ftn1)
While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presidential vote margin in Florida in 2000.
Indeed, the Census Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida,[2] (https://www.heritage.org/report/the-threat-non-citizen-voting#_ftn2)
and the U.S.Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.
[3] (https://www.heritage.org/report/the-threat-non-citizen-voting#_ftn3)

https://www.heritage.org/report/the-threat-non-citizen-voting

Do you know where they go to find jurors?

Voter rolls!

That means at least 3 percent of voters are illegals!

More than enough to swing several elections in the favor of Democrats!

you actually believe right wing bullshit, dvd.  and sessions is almost as stupid as you.  you use a right wing source, or a source with an agenda, and the odds are they will fudge the numbers, cherry pick the numbers, and massage the numbers to show what they want dumbass trump voters to believe. 

here are what real sources say- gullible stooge-

Jeff Sessions cites study on sanctuary cities, researchers ... - PolitiFact
https://www.politifact.com/truth...sessions/jeff-sessions-mischaracterizes-study-sanctua...
Claim: "According to a recent study from the University of California Riverside, (sanctuary) cities with these policies have more violent crime on average than...
Claimed by: Jeff Sessions
Fact check by PolitiFact: Mostly False

Criminal Immigrants in Texas: Illegal Immigrant Conviction and Arrest ...
https://www.cato.org/publications/.../criminal-immigrants-texas-illegal-immigrant
by A Nowrasteh - ‎Cited by 2 - ‎Related articles
Feb 26, 2018 - Moreover, the conviction and arrest rates for illegal immigrants were lower than those ... Security (DHS) that check the biometrics of arrestees in the state. .... fewer criminal convictions even though they are arrested for more crimes.

Sanctuary Cities: Fact-checking Jeff Sessions' statistics on ... - Mic
https://mic.com/.../sanctuary-cities-fact-checking-jeff-sessions-statistics-on-undocumen...
Mar 28, 2017 - Jeff Sessions implied sanctuary cities are exceptionally dangerous. ... to help enforce immigration laws, our nation is less safe," Sessions said

Border Communities Have Lower Crime Rates | The Texas Tribune
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/02/.../border-communities-have-lower-crime-rates/
Feb 23, 2016 - There are many busy retailers near the international bridge where ... Crime has dropped, and the Texas side of the border apparently is now ...

Fact-checking Trump's claim that the Southern border with Mexico is ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../trump-calls-the-u-s-mexico-border-extremely-dange...
Jan 17, 2018 - A majority of Americans do not live near it, and their encounters with the roughly ... The crime rates in U.S. border counties are lower than the average for ... forcing migrants to try their luck farther from cities and highways.

Jorge Ramos: Border communities some of the safest in the United ...
https://www.politifact.com/.../jorge-ramos-border-communities-some-safest-country/
Claim: "Some of the safest communities in the United States are along the border."
Claimed by: Jorge Ramos
Fact check by PolitiFact: Mostly True

wrong again, Diaper Dan. maybe if you ever learn to read, you won't lie so fucking much...but I doubt it..

from the first post on this thread, FROM FOX, hardly a liberal media, dumbass lying stooge-

Critics immediately panned President Donald Trump’s prime-time speech pushing for a U.S.-Mexico border wall for its numerous lies and misrepresentations, even on the president’s favorite network.

Fox News anchor Shepard Smith challenged many of Trump’s claims by using the government’s own numbers.

After Trump said that “innocent people” are being “horribly victimized” by immigrants who commit crimes, Smith quickly added perspective.

“The government’s statistics show that there is less violent crime by the undocumented immigrant population than by the general population,” he said.

Trump also argued for his wall by saying that immigrants carry illegal drugs across the border, but Smith pointed out that a wall wouldn’t make much difference there.

“Government statistics show much of the heroin actually comes not over the unguarded border but through ports of call,” he said.

Smith continued:

“He talks about undocumented crossings over the past months. In fact, the number of undocumented crossings over the southern border has been steadily down over the last 10 years and the government reports that there is more outward traffic than inward traffic.”

Smith also pushed back on Trump’s claims that Mexico will pay for the wall via a revised trade deal.

Having failed to force Mexico to pay for a border wall as he promised he would, President Donald Trump on Friday repeated his false claim that a tweaked North American Free Trade Agreement is effectively making that country pay.

“We will be making billions and billions of dollars a year more money. And that is paying for the wall. Many, many times over,” Trump said in another rambling, hourlong news conference filled with such falsehoods.

“What we save on that just with Mexico will pay for the wall many times over just in a period of a year, two years, or three years. So I view that as, absolutely, Mexico is paying for the wall,” he claimed.

Outside economists and trade experts, however, said the revised NAFTA ― which Trump has rebranded as the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement ― will not bring into the U.S. Treasury anywhere near what is necessary to pay for a wall. Even more important: What extra money does come in will be from tariffs, which are paid by Americans, not Mexico.

“It’s not true,” said Monica de Bolle, a trade expert at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, of Trump’s claim. “What it really is is American consumers paying higher prices for stuff. So it’s the American consumer who’s paying for the wall, if you want to look at it that way. It’s just total crazyland, and it’s only going to get worse.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/424474-fox-newss-shep-smith-immediately-fact-check-trump-address

Take it up with DVD instead of polluting this thread with your nonsense!

http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1743

The real liars exposed (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/evil.gif)


https://youtube.com/v/slXbw677sEY

Democrats say the victims of illegals don't matter as only illegals matter!

Fund the wall and the shutdown will end!

Fail to fund the wall and the shutdown will continue!

The choice is simple!

Can Democrats afford to have the shutdown continue?
                                                                                                                                       

I heard them explaining Pelosi and crying Chucks lies

but then that was nothing new (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/rolleyes.gif)

Liar.  You are in denial.