http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/22/deputy-assigned-to-florida-school-never-went-in-during-shooting-sheriff-says.html
Apparently the deputy assigned to the school was armed and on site and never entered the building to even try and stop the Florida shooter, unbelievable !

Looks like the deputy's was waiting for someone else to act therefore playing it safe to protect his own ass! Maybe it's best he didn't go in if he was that cowardly!

Heard about this on radio driving home to tonight. Also, apparently security footage was ‘delayed by 20 min’ ..? not sure what that means.

I thought I heard on later news that he was in proximity to the killer...but held off

why? what would superman or you do?
an ar-15 vs some kind of a service hand gun

some rare folks can rise to the challenge
most can't, even with a gun

Did he KNOW where the kid was?
Did he KNOW how the kid was armed?
Probably as afraid of finding the kid with the gun, as shooting the wrong kid!

I heard he resigned today.

I feel sorry for the cop.

This will be hard to live with.

damn I lost my post...I hate when that happens

local...I value your experience/opinion
i'm just pursuing a conversation

like I said it takes an exceptional hero to rise to the occasion
this guy didn't

when faced with an at-15 that can shoot through walls v a hand gun
I think I would be reluctant to try to sneak up on the bad guy

Did the guy KNOW it was an AR-15?

The not knowing is the worst.

 

It's sad for everyone and he has to live with his decision.

Almost as disconcerting to me is that it took one week for us to get this news.

I'm not a hero but I would have tried to stop the shooter If I was armed with a good semi automatic pistol, I have know idea what the deputy was carrying, the deputy didn't know what the shooter was carrying my guess is he didn't want to face off with the shooter without backup!

you might like to think you would but until you actually face that situation you'll never know.   unless you've had extensive training in handling panic/high stress situations you might be powerless to act.

I was just reading about this ttop...

Apparently, he was more concerned about his retirement than the lives of those kids and teachers.

AND THEY LET HIM RETIRE, RATHER THAN GET FIRED!  WHERE IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY!?  HE COULD HAVE STOPPED THE GUNMAN!
I foresee lawsuits from the families against the school district, the sheriff's department and the police union. 

I would hate to be him, No one will ever know if the officer could have made a difference! 

and even with training some people freeze when faced with a high stress situation like this.   




Fight, flight or freeze – those are the most common responses to high-stakes decisions made under stress.

Most of the time, soldiers quickly choose fight or flight, practically without thinking about it, says Neil Shortland, a visiting lecturer and program manager for the Center for Terrorism and Security Studies.

But when faced with two equally bad or uncertain choices, soldiers, police and other emergency responders may freeze, Shortland says.

“You can be so focused on not making the wrong choice that you don’t make any choice,” he says.

The study will compare military to nonmilitary decision-making in situations that call for a quick choice between two equally bad or uncertain alternatives, known as “least-worst” decision-making. A typical example: Armed insurgents set off a bomb in a tunnel where soldiers are trapped. Do you send in more soldiers to treat and evacuate the wounded? Or do you hold off, knowing that the insurgents could set off a second bomb to kill the rescuers?

The researchers will focus in particular on indecision, known in psychological terms as “decisional inertia,” as well as what leads to it and how training might help reduce it.

“Both soldiers and police officers make phenomenally hard choices under terrible circumstances and terrible stress,” he says. “But overall, the soldiers were faster and more confident than the police or the students.”

Police, who are generally dealing with civilians instead of an organized and well-armed enemy, operate within a more complex set of values. When confronted with a situation that requires them to choose between equally strong values, such as the imperative to protect civilians versus the need to protect fellow officers, they may hesitate.


https://www.uml.edu/News/stories/2017/ShortlandGrant.aspx

you might like to think you would but until you actually face that situation you'll never know.   unless you've had extensive training in handling panic/high stress situations you might be powerless to act.

There were many hero's that day. Untrained, acting in a panic/high stress situation, risking their lives to save lives of others.

Kudos to them.



                                                                                                                                       

More importantly are those schooled in violence understand there are proper levels of force for each threat encountered. For instance, police officers draw their weapons only as a last resort, bouncers rarely strike customers unless the situation warrants it, and soldiers avoid firing on unarmed civilians at all costs.

However, for the inexperienced person the danger signs often go unrecognized, hence they are surprised by the intensity of a confrontation, or else ambushed by an attacker. Such mental dullness leads to panic, confusion, chaos and sensory overload, along with an inappropriate response that can have fatal consequences for both victim and attacker alike. Case in point whereas the bouncer might simply toss an unruly drunk out of the bar while experiencing the fight response, the inexperienced person would pull their pistol and shoot the drunk because they’re too frightened to consider the use of non-lethal force.

In regard to the flight response, the same applies. Whereas the soldier during the heat of battle would drag his wounded comrade to safety, the untrained person would run and leave their injured friend to the mercy of a marauding gang. Or when faced with overwhelming odds the soldier would freeze and avoid detection while the untrained person would run, thereby announcing their presence. Below is a graph illustrating trained and untrained responses.

http://legacy.ymaa.com/articles/fight-flight-or-freeze-trained-and-untrained-responses

i guess takncare believes he should be arrested for not wanting to get killed.  or not allowed his pension.  just amazing what some people think, and how little they respect the job police do overall...they are the ones, in most cases, who do go running into a place where everybody with any sense is running out of.  they put their lives on the line every time they pull a car over for anything, with all the guns out there, when they walk up to the car it could be their last act on Earth.  i would love to see these monday morning quarterbacks and these sitting on the sidelines heroes faced with that kind of choice, whether they be cops, or armed guards, or teachers, or students caught in the crossfire and see how they would react to that same condition...probably exactly the same. 

He failed to do his job.  If I do that, I get fired, not allowed to retire with my full pension.

he failed to do his job....THAT DAY.  for that you believe his pension that he paid into can be taken away? what planet are you from? i guess you believe if a 60 year old guy breaks the law and goes to jail then the government can take all his SS benefits and medicare benefits away even after he is released?

There should be accountability.  I didn't say take his pension away, I said he gets to retire with his pension.  But...Why shouldn't he be charged with dereliction of duty?

why should firefighters not be charged if they decide it is too dangerous to go into a burning building even if they know there are people inside?  this guy should be charged...what about cops who have shot unarmed teens from many many feet away?  how about an armed idiot who stalked an unarmed teen and then claimed for some reason the unarmed teen decided to attack him, still carrying his iced tea and candy and the armed stalker adult shot him to death and was able to walk? 

What a person does any given situation is hard to gauge, training is key and even then its iffy! I know every one hates mass shootings and Morn for those we lost, what these people need is time to morn, reflect and be consoled, may god bless them during this sad time! 

You must not read the news.  Police are being charged all the time now for shooting people.

Firefighters have a policy to NOT endanger based on conditions.

The school resource officer's job was to serve and protect and apparently, he did neither.  He didn't even try to deter.  Did he try to call the police?  Apparently not. Great job, right?

who claimed he did a great job?  he was going to be fired.  i just don't think he could be arrested or have his pension taken away for doing WHAT 90% OF US WOULD DO WHEN FACED WITH THAT LIFE OR DEATH DECISION....you wouldn't rush inside, i am sure.  but you sure do not mind judging him.  and a lot of cops get charged, but most of them walk, with their pensions. 

When a cop or a judge breaks the law they are no longer acting in their official capacity

and become a regular citizen subject to all laws and codes and being sued

so..."a good guy, with a gun" isn't the fail-safe sure-fire solution that the right Wing and NRA say it's supposed to be.

good post.  kudos. 

So, gun laws background checks, waiting periods didn’t work

But more useless laws criminals don’t ever obey will?

That’s the definition of insanity so why does the Left like it so ?p

Wow all these experts crawling out if the woodwork! First off if you are not willing to put your life on the line you should not enter the military, become a police officer or join the fire dept.. Now as far as a handgun vs a rifle in a situation like this there is not much advantage to the rifle other than mag capacity. If a shooter is confronted with fire coming his way he must deal with that rather than continue to shoot unarmed kids, so someone with a handgun can very well make the difference between life and death.

What those of you who have never been in the military there is something you do not understand, the fear of death can be overruled by something else, the fear of losing the respect of those you serve with which supersedes flight or fight or any of your other bullshit excuses for the coward of broward, he had a job to do and because he didn't do it kids died, oh and don't compare firemen letting a building burn down, that is done only when no lives are at stake!

True cowards will arm themselves and hide behind walls, bars and fences...

True Americans will NOT let a couple sickos change their lives or lifestyle.

3 more Good Guys with a Gun did NOT go into the School!

When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14
in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's
Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward
County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The
deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the
school.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sources-coral-springs-police-upset-at-some-broward-deputies-for-not-entering-school/


I wonder if Frump would have gone in with his gun?
Only if he heard the shooter were female, and hot?

so wrong.  get your head out of the NRA's bloody ass-

National (US) Poll - February 20, 2018 - U.S. Support For Gun Control ...
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2521
3 days ago - 67 - 29 percent for a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons;; 83 - 14 percent for a mandatory waiting period for all gun purchases. It is too easy to buy a gun in the U.S. today, American voters say 67 - 3 percent. If more people carried guns, the U.S. would be less safe, voters say 59 - 33 percent.

Majority of Americans want stricter gun laws: poll | New York Post (owned by Murdoch)
https://nypost.com/2018/02/20/majority-of-americans-want-stricter-gun-laws-poll/
3 days ago - That includes 67-29 percent support for a ban on the sale of assault weapons and 83-14 backing for a mandatory waiting period for gun purchases. The result also reverses a 47-50 percent measure opposing stricter gun laws recorded in a Dec. 23, 2015, poll. “If you think Americans are largely unmoved by ...

97 percent of Americans want universal background checks for gun ...
theweek.com/.../97-percent-americans-want-universal-background-checks-gun-buyers...
3 days ago - A whopping 97 percent of all respondents said they were in favor of universal background checks on all gun purchases, while 67 percent of all respondents said they were in favor of banning sales of assault weapons. Support for universal background checks was practically uniform across all categories, ...

More Americans Than Ever Support Stricter Gun Laws: Poll | Time
time.com › U.S. › Polls
3 days ago - Other gun control-related questions also got highly favorable responses, the announcement says. Support for universal background checks, a mandatory waiting period for firearm purchases and an assault weapon ban came in at 97%, 83% and 67%, respectively. Sixty-seven percent of respondents also ...

Poll: Majorities of Both Parties Favor Increased Gun Restrictions : NPR
https://www.npr.org/.../poll-majorities-of-both-parties-favor-increased-gun-restrictions
Oct 13, 2017 - Eight-in-10 Americans told the pollsters they favor bans on assault weapons, high-capacity ammunition magazines and "bump stocks," an accessory used ... For example, 91 percent of Democrats, along with 76 percent of independents and 70 percent of Republicans, said they are for banning assault-style ...

Are those the same pollsters that predicted that Hillary would win in a landslide?

Gun bans proven to not work here, sorry but thats a fact (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/smiley.gif)

trying the same thing and expecting different results is insanity

No wonder leftist everywhere want to act insane (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/rolleyes.gif)