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Title: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of Iraq?
Post by: takncarabizniz on 08 17, 10, 10:03:41:AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100817/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100817/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq)
 
Wait, another excuse for not ending the war in Iraq?


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: mudslinger on 08 17, 10, 10:06:16:AM
WHY, LET THEM IDIOTS KILL EACH OTHER, THEY ARE MUSLIMS NO GREAT LOSS.


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: captain_kook on 08 17, 10, 10:09:13:AM
Of course you can point to any statements by the US or Iraq that might lead to that conclusion?


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: captain_kook on 08 17, 10, 10:10:44:AM
By the way.
 
It isn't a war.
 
it's an occupation
 
 
annoying, those distinctions in the English language
 
 
 
 aint they


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: takncarabizniz on 08 17, 10, 10:21:36:AM
Captain, why then does the president refer to it as a war?


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: captain_kook on 08 17, 10, 10:21:47:AM
A suicide bomber (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100817/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq#) sat for hours Tuesday among hundreds of army recruits before detonating nail-packed explosives strapped to his body, killing 61 people and casting new doubt on the ability of Iraqi forces as U.S. troops (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100817/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq#) head home.

is the actual opening sentence of the article.


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: captain_kook on 08 17, 10, 10:23:18:AM
Captain, why then does the president refer to it as a war?
 
for the same reason Bush did
 
Under international law an "occupation" imposes far more obligations on the occupying power than a "war" does.
 
 


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: takncarabizniz on 08 17, 10, 10:23:36:AM
Uh captain...statements by US or Iraq that might lead to that conclusion...?

From the article...

Iraq's military commander, Gen. Babaker Shawkat Zebari, acknowledged last week that his army may not be ready to defend the nation until 2020.

Maybe you should try reading the articles once in a while...


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: captain_kook on 08 17, 10, 10:26:48:AM
I'll ask again
 
Can you point to any statements that lead to the conclusion that this will affect the withdrawal timetable?
We can't hold their hand forever and the Iraqis don't WANT us there
 
 


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: Thomasj_tx on 08 17, 10, 10:28:49:AM

Of course you can point to any statements by the US or Iraq that might lead to that conclusion?


The commander of Iraq's military is calling for U.S. forces to stay in the country for another decade, reinforcing his stance that his country's military won't be able to secure the nation on their own after U.S. troops leave.

"At this point, the withdrawal is going well, because they are still here, but the problem will start after 2011," Gen. Babaker Shawkat Zebari said at a defense conference in Baghdad, according to the BBC.

"The politicians must find other ways to fill the void after 2011... If I were asked about the withdrawal, I would say to politicians: the U.S. army must stay until the Iraqi army is fully ready in 2020," the BBC reported.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38670873/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38670873/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/)



By the way.  It isn't a war.  it's an occupation  annoying, those distinctions in the English language  aint they



It is not an "occupation".  There is a Status of Forces Agreement in place.  Just like we have with countries like South Korea and Japan.  Do you think that we are "occupying" Japan and South Korea.

Annoying those legal FACTS, ain't they.


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: keno on 08 17, 10, 10:32:19:AM
Ah, those peace loving Muzzies, and their holy month.
 
God, those people are barbaric.


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: slickclick on 08 17, 10, 10:34:08:AM
What a waste of lives and treasure the neocons war of choice in Iraq was. Those neocons should all be on trial for War Crimes.  Justice must be served.




(http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/Resources/bush-war-crimes-trial-sm-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: captain_kook on 08 17, 10, 10:35:02:AM
Thomas, thanks for that.
Interestingly, the SOFA allows for a lot of US troops to stay long-term in Iraq to back up the Iraqi military as they request it.

So it's a moot point.

And it IS an occupation but since the SOFA was signed we now are there under an "invitation" assumption.

Again- under international law, had Bush NOT signed the SOFA - which he swore he'd never sign - we'd be obligated - as the occupying power - to support Iraq as a welfare client


basically,

forever


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: 2whyme on 08 17, 10, 10:40:38:AM
 
What a waste of lives and treasure the neocons war of choice in Iraq was. Those neocons should all be on trial for War Crimes.  Justice must be served.

Well, then, what is the delay on the part of obammy and his head law enforce minion, holder?


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: keno on 08 17, 10, 10:43:41:AM
Those neocons should all be on trial for War Crimes.  Justice must be served.

 
Too late to prosecute Wilson, Ruskievelt, Truman, Horse's Ass Johnson.....


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 08 17, 10, 10:44:35:AM
With Obama being such a weak president was there any doubt that the terrorists would come back to Iraq?  Obama is a waste...


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: Thomasj_tx on 08 17, 10, 10:45:33:AM

And it IS an occupation but since the SOFA was signed we now are there under an "invitation" assumption.

Again- under international law, had Bush NOT signed the SOFA - which he swore he'd never sign - we'd be obligated - as the occupying power - to support Iraq as a welfare client basically,  forever


Now you are just flat out making up stuff.  With the SOFA, we are no more an "occupier" in Iraq than we are in Japan or South Korea or Germany.

And President Bush NEVER said he would not sign the SOFA.  He worked on negotiating it for nearly 2 years.


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: captain_kook on 08 17, 10, 10:50:54:AM
I never know when it has reached the point of uselessness  with you Thomas
 
 
Everything you know is wrong.
 
 


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: hoosier_daddy on 08 17, 10, 10:52:57:AM
there are no insurgents trying to kill us in south korea, japan or germany, dipshit.  we didn't lose 4700 soldiers occupying japan and germany after they surrendered and we never were at war with south korea, we were always there by request, so why are you even mentioning south korea?  have you ever actually read anything about history or current events, little tommy?


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: captain_kook on 08 17, 10, 10:58:16:AM
  • Bush rules out timetable for Iraq withdrawal - MarketWatch (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bush-rules-out-timetable-for-iraq-withdrawal)
    WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- President Bush on Friday rejected calls to set a timetable for the withdrawal of US ... Bush: No timetable for Iraq withdrawal ...

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  • Bush: No Timetable For Iraq - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/30/politics/main1085939.shtml)
    Nov 30, 2005 ... President Cites Progress But Won't Set Date For US Pullout.

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    Bush Emphasizes His Opposition to Timetable for Iraq Withdrawal ... (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/washington/16prexy.html)
    Jul 16, 2008 ... Bush Emphasizes His Opposition to Timetable for Iraq Withdrawal ... war,” Mr. Bush said, “and now's not the time to give up in the struggle ...

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    Al-Maliki Demands Timetable For Iraq Withdrawal : NPR (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92489073)
    Jul 12, 2008 ... The Bush administration argues that the U.S. drawdown should be based on conditions on the ground and not on a timetable that could allow ...
     
    Chris Weigant: First Milestone Approaches In Iraq Withdrawal Timetable (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/first-milestone-approache_b_203254.html)
    May 13, 2009 ... I examined the Status Of Forces Agreement (SOFA) in depth back in December ... about how Maliki forced Bush to accept just such a timetable, ...


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: Thomasj_tx on 08 17, 10, 10:59:26:AM

I never know when it has reached the point of uselessness  with you Thomas


Everything you know is wrong.




Typical.  When kook is proven wrong, he flips out.

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Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: captain_kook on 08 17, 10, 11:03:51:AM
http://www.aesopsretreat.net/forum/index.php?topic=23478.10 (http://www.aesopsretreat.net/forum/index.php?topic=23478.10)


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: Thomasj_tx on 08 17, 10, 11:05:51:AM

so why are you even mentioning south korea?


Because we have a SOFA with them.  That was the topic Ho.

Have you ever actually read anything about history, Ho?


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: slickclick on 08 17, 10, 11:06:55:AM
The Bush Crime Family made a good part of their fortune on the deaths and sufferings of others. If it was up to them they'd have eternal wars.

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Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: hoosier_daddy on 08 17, 10, 11:23:46:AM
we never occupied them, we never invaded them, we were never at war with them.  compare that to iraq, vietnam, japan, germany, or afghanistan.....get it?


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: Thomasj_tx on 08 17, 10, 11:28:39:AM
we never occupied them, we never invaded them, we were never at war with them.  compare that to iraq, vietnam, japan, germany, or afghanistan.....get it?

We never occupied Iraq or Afghanistan either.  So what is your point?


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: hoosier_daddy on 08 17, 10, 11:47:39:AM
you are insane, you know....what do you call what we did in iraq and are now doing in afghanistan, clown?  visiting?


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: Thomasj_tx on 08 17, 10, 11:53:50:AM
According to the Fourth Geneva Convention.....
 
Quote

SECTION III
MILITARY AUTHORITY OVER THE TERRITORY
OF THE HOSTILE STATEArt. 42. (http://<A)
Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.

 
Both Iraq and Afghanistan have autonomous governments.
 
Clown.


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: hoosier_daddy on 08 17, 10, 12:30:33:PM
vietnam did, too, but we were sure as hell doing all the fighting there, too, spinmeister.  god, you are incredibly dense.  why do you think the parties in power ARE the parties in power, dumbass?  BECAUSE OUR ARMY SAYS SO, DUMMY.  under your rules, the russians really did not invade and occupy yugoslavia in the 50's...the prevailing government ASKED them to come in and stomp out the democratic revolt....and germany did not invade Austria, the germans who were living there were being persecuted by the illegal Austrian government set up by the French......


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: Thomasj_tx on 08 17, 10, 12:34:25:PM
Quote

under your rules

 
Not my "rules".  The Geneva Conventions.
 
Why do you not support the Geneva Conventions?


Title: Re: Suicide bombing casts "doubt" on ability to get US troops out of I
Post by: hoosier_daddy on 08 17, 10, 12:58:51:PM
why do you not when it comes to torturing prisoners?  i am saying the only reason iraq and afghanistan "voted" to allow us in was after we invaded and killed anybody who said otherwise, and installed our own guys...get it?  are you just incredibly dense? or what?