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Title: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: wvit1001 on 09 27, 16, 02:26:51:PM
Although the media have made much of Clinton’s “trust problem,” data even beyond this debate tally suggest that Trump has a solid pattern of lying pretty much all the time, about any situation, especially those that might cast him in what he perceives as a negative light.

His reputation is such that this debate, like no debate before it, had every news media outlet promising intensive fact-checking of every assertion. Fact-checkers have probably never before been this employable and may be the true winners in this election.

When we encounter someone who tells a blatant lie–and insists on it even in the face of clear evidence that it is a lie–many of us likely wonder what makes a person like that tick. Why does one person care so little about falsehood, behave so shamelessly about insisting on their truth when others of us think it’s a pretty big deal?

Experts don’t know for sure what drives the troublesome lying. They know impulsivity and a need to impress could be linked to the habit.

Intentional dissimulation…is associated with a range of diagnoses, such as antisocial, borderline and narcissistic personality disorders. When it comes to compulsive liars, says Charles Ford, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Alabama Birmingham, “words seem to flow out of their mouths without them thinking about it.” Ford, the author of Lies! Lies!! Lies!!! The Psychology of Deceit, says that pathological liars may slide easily from the notion that something could have happened to the conviction that it did. When pressed, many will admit what they are saying isn’t true.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2016/09/27/why-does-donald-trump-lie-so-much/#6b4353676d24


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: Dan on 09 27, 16, 02:27:42:PM
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Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?

Why do liberals care about lying all of a sudden?


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: wvit1001 on 09 27, 16, 02:29:18:PM
so you don't care about his lies dan?


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: Dan on 09 27, 16, 02:32:43:PM
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so you don't care about his lies dan?

Sure.  But then I have always cared about lies on BOTH sides.  Why all of a sudden do you start caring about lies when you didn't say a peep about liberals lying?


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: chuck_curtis on 09 27, 16, 02:33:28:PM
Because telling the truth doesn't win elections.  Ron Paul proved that.  Judge by actions and results, not words.


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: wvit1001 on 09 27, 16, 02:34:34:PM
Clinton didn't lie about anything last night dan.   


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: Dan on 09 27, 16, 02:39:22:PM
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Clinton didn't lie about anything last night dan.

So you didn't know Hillary lied when she said 'stop and frisk' was ruled unconstitutional because it was ineffective?  And you didn't know she lied about the murder rate going down after 'stop and frisk' was discontinued?

So are you unaware of these lies, or are you lying that she didn't say any?


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: wvit1001 on 09 27, 16, 02:41:37:PM
 Donald Trump says the police tactic known as stop-and-frisk led to a drop in murders in New York City, while Hillary Clinton says it has been ruled unconstitutional.

At the first presidential debate, neither was quite right.

Crime began falling in New York before police fully embraced the tactic, which allows police to stop anyone deemed suspicious.

And the number of murders has continued to fall even after the use of stop-and-frisk was dramatically curbed.

A federal judge ruled its use in New York discriminated against minorities, but the tactic itself remains allowed under the law.


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: wvit1001 on 09 27, 16, 02:43:07:PM
Trump is wrong about the judge’s ruling, but it’s complicated. U.S. District Court Judge Shira Scheindlin did rule in 2013 that the stop and frisk practice violated the Constitution in the landmark case, Floyd v. City of New York. But it didn’t end there.

Judge Scheindlin ruled that stop and frisk, in practice, had a discriminatory effect on blacks and Hispanics, violating the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments. “The Equal Protection Clause’s prohibition on selective enforcement means that suspicious blacks and Hispanics may not be treated differently by the police than equally suspicious whites,” the judge said. You can read Judge Scheindlin’s opinion below.

However, the city did ask the Second Circuit Court of Appeals to vacate the ruling, but the court said no.


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: Dan on 09 27, 16, 02:49:20:PM
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neither was quite right.

And yet you claimed  Hillary didn't lie.  Tsks tsk tsk.

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And the number of murders has continued to fall even after the use of stop-and-frisk was dramatically curbed.

Wrong.  The number of murders went UP from 2014 to 2015.  Were you unaware of that, wvit?

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A federal judge ruled its use in New York discriminated against minorities, but the tactic itself remains allowed under the law.

'Stop and frisk' does not discriminate against minorities.  Minorities are the ones who are most affected because they are the ones who exhibit the most probable causes for search.  I could say the same about men.  Men are far more affected than women.  Does that mean men are discriminated against?  No.  They just happen to be the ones who commit the most violent crime.  It is not discrimination to learn from facts.


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: wvit1001 on 09 27, 16, 02:51:51:PM
New data from the FBI, released Monday, find that there were 352 murders in New York City in 2015, a rate of 4.1 murders per 100,000 people. That’s up from 333 murders last year, a rate of 3.9 murders per 100,000 people.

But preliminary numbers from the NYPD show a large decline in murders in New York City more recently: In 2016, there have been 252 murders through September 25, a 5.3 percent decline compared to this time in 2015.


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: wvit1001 on 09 27, 16, 02:53:08:PM
what about all the Trump lies dan?  you dismiss his multiple lies while haranguing clinton.


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: chuck_curtis on 09 27, 16, 03:00:10:PM
So what, do we tally up the number of lies and pick the least liar?   No, because some lies are bigger than others, and some we just plain like.


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: chuck_curtis on 09 27, 16, 03:04:29:PM
I mean, let's face it.  The collectivists know full well they have to lie like a Gruber to get to a single payer system.  What's wrong with lying?


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: Dan on 09 27, 16, 03:08:31:PM
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what about all the Trump lies dan?

I told you, I don't approve of his lies either.


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: wvit1001 on 09 27, 16, 03:27:49:PM
I don't see how what she said was a lie dan.  NYC's policy was found to be unconstitutional


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: Dan on 09 27, 16, 03:33:29:PM
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I don't see how what she said was a lie dan.

Those were just two off the top of my head.  But even if you don't think she lied during the debate, will you concede she has lied many times before?  The video did it, No classified material on server, etc.?

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NYC's policy was found to be unconstitutional

Not officially.  That was one judge's opinion.


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: caserio1 on 09 27, 16, 03:40:11:PM
not official, just a judges opinion

wtf do you think official is?


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: chuck_curtis on 09 27, 16, 03:42:27:PM
It doesn't get any more official than my opinion.


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 09 27, 16, 03:46:56:PM
HERE THEY ARE—

The Top Five Hillary Clinton Lies from the Hofstra Presidential Debate…..


FACT CHECK: CLINTON CLAIMS IRAN WAS “WEEKS AWAY” FROM A NUCLEAR BOMB. WRONG.

Clinton: “When I Became Secretary Of State, Iran Was Weeks Away From Having Enough Nuclear Material To Form A Bomb.” CLINTON: “With respect to Iran, when I became secretary of state, Iran was weeks away from having enough nuclear material to form a bomb.” (Hillary Clinton, Presidential Debate, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY, 9/26/16)

“No Intelligence Estimate From Any Country Supports” This Claim Made By Clinton

Foreign Correspondent Ayman Mohyeldin: “Clinton Claims Iran Was ‘Weeks Away’ From A Nuclear Bomb. No Intelligence Estimate From Any Country Supports That. Wrong.” “Clinton claims Iran was ‘weeks away’ from a nuclear bomb. No intelligence estimate from any country supports that. Wrong #debatenight” (Ayman Mohyeldin, Twitter, 9/26/16)

FACT CHECK: CLINTON ASSERTS THAT TUITION FREE IS THE SAME AS DEBT FREE FOR STUDENTS DESPITE OTHER COSTS

Clinton: Claims Her Plan To Make “College Debt Free So More People Can Get Their Education” Will Grow The Economy. CLINTON: “I think building the middle class, investing in the middle class, making college debt free so more young people can get their education. Helping people refinance their tax — their debt from college at a lower rate.” (Hillary Clinton, Presidential Debate, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY, 9/26/16)


Clinton’s Tuition Plan Would Make Tuition Free For Some Students, But That Does Not Mean Debt Free

Clinton’s Tuition Free College Plan For In-State Students Who Go To Public Universities Or Colleges “Doesn’t Equate Debt Free” As Students Would Still Have To Pay For Room And Board, Half Of Current College Costs For Students. “Clinton has proposed making college tuition free for in-state students who go to a public college or university. But tuition free doesn’t equate to debt free. Under her plan, the government would pay for in-state tuition at public colleges and universities for students from families earning less than $125,000 a year. That would leave students still bearing the cost of room and board, which makes up more than half of the average $18,943 sticker price at a four-year public university, according to the College Board.” (“AP FACT CHECK: Clinton On Debt-Free College,” Associated Press, 9/26/16)

There Are Longer Term Impacts That Could Result From Clinton’s Plan, Including Colleges Raising Costs And More Students Going To Public School, Raising Costs. “Experts worry about other effects: Will colleges raise tuition once the government starts paying, increasing the cost to taxpayers? Will more students flock to public colleges because of the subsidy, also raising costs?” (“AP FACT CHECK: Clinton On Debt-Free College,” Associated Press, 9/26/16)


FACT CHECK: CLINTON DENIES HER LEADING ROLE IN NEGOTIATING TPP

Clinton: “I Was Against [TPP] Once It Was Finally Negotiated.” CLINTON: “That is not accurate. I was against it once it was finally negotiated. The terms were laid out.” (Hillary Clinton, Presidential Debate, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY, 9/26/16)

Clinton: “I Hoped It Would Be A Good Deal.” CLINTON: “I did say, I hoped it would be a good deal.” (Hillary Clinton, Presidential Debate, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY, 9/26/16)

An AP Fact Check Found That Trump Was Correct That Clinton “Championed The Agreement,” And “Did Not Merely Express The Hope That It Would Turn Out Well”

“Trump Is Correct,” Clinton “Championed” TPP And “Did Not Merely Express The Hope That It Would Turn Out Well.” “Trump is correct. As secretary of state, Clinton called the deal that was taking shape the ‘gold standard’ of trade agreements, in a 2012 trip to Australia, and championed the agreement in other venues around the world. She did not merely express the hope that it would turn out well.” (“AP FACT CHECK: Clinton Misrepresetns Stance On Pacific Trade,” Associated Press, 9/26/16)

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Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 09 27, 16, 03:47:34:PM
FACT CHECK: CLINTON LIES ABOUT TRUMP’S TAX PAYMENTS

Clinton Has Asserted That Trump “Pays No Federal Income Tax” While On The Campaign Trail. “During an appearance on NBC’s Meet the Press, Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton chided Trump for keeping his returns secret. When Todd asked Clinton if Trump had done anything that should be praised, Clinton offered a non sequitur, saying Trump “needs to release his tax returns. The only two we have show that he hasn’t paid a penny in taxes. ‘And yet he goes around talking about ‘make America great.’ You know, that means paying for our military. That means paying for our roads. That means paying for the V.A. That means a lot of things. And if you’ve got someone running for president who’s afraid to release his tax returns because it will expose the fact that he pays no federal income tax, I think that’s a big problem,’ Clinton said.” (C. Eugene Emery Jr., “Hillary Clinton Claim About Donald Trump Paying No Federal Taxes Ignores The Years When He Did,” Politifact , 5/24/16)

Clinton’s Claim “Ignores Critical Facts” And Thus Is Rated “Mostly False” By Politifact

Politifact Rated This Claim By Clinton “Mostly False” Since It “Ignores Critical Facts.” “Clinton’s statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.” (C. Eugene Emery Jr., “Hillary Clinton Claim About Donald Trump Paying No Federal Taxes Ignores The Years When He Did,” Politifact , 5/24/16)

FACT CHECK: CLINTON GETS IT WRONG ON JOB CREATION

Clinton: “That Means Jobs In Infrastructure, In Advanced Manufacturing … And Small Business Because Most Of The New Jobs Will Come From Small Business.”CLINTON: “That means jobs in infrastructure, in advanced manufacturing … and small business because most of the new jobs will come from small business.” (Hillary Clinton, Presidential Debate, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY, 9/26/16)
Clinton Has Used This Line On Small Business Job Creation Before, And It Is Incorrect

Politico Headline: “Clinton Gets It Wrong On ‘Small Business’ Job Creation.”(Danny Vinik, “Clinton Gets It Wrong On ‘Small Business’ Job Creation,” Politico , 9/26/16)

New Businesses, Not Small Businesses, Are The Job Creators Despite Clinton’s Claim. “It’s a favorite line of almost all politicians, and Hillary Clinton has used it before. But small businesses are not in fact the job creators. That role belongs to new businesses.” (Danny Vinik, “Clinton Gets It Wrong On ‘Small Business’ Job Creation,”Politico , 9/26/16)

Startups Created 3.5 Million Net New Jobs In 2005, One Million More Than Created In The Private Sector. “One recent study used Census data to look at job creation in 2005. It found that startups created 3.5 million net new jobs-a million more than were created in the entire private sector. In other words, non-startup businesses were responsible that year for a 1 million job decline in employment.” (Danny Vinik, “Clinton Gets It Wrong On ‘Small Business’ Job Creation,” Politico , 9/26/16)


Why does Hillary lie so much?




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Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: chuck_curtis on 09 27, 16, 03:59:25:PM
Clinton is so hard to defend that the best the leftists can come up with is ad hominem attacks on Trump.


Title: Re: Why Does Donald Trump Lie So Much?
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 09 27, 16, 04:01:27:PM
That has been the Clinton and DNC game plane for months.