Last week, the Department of Justice informed North Carolina (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/05/04/3775469/hb2-violates-civil-rights-act/) Gov. Pat McCrory (R) that HB2, the controversial anti-LGBT law passed in March, violated the federal Civil Rights Act. Because McCrory did not respond with compliance — instead filing his own suit (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/05/09/3776513/nc-governor-makes-desperate-last-ditch-effort-save-states-anti-lgbt-bathroom-law/) against the federal government — the Department followed through on filing a suit against the state Monday afternoon.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/05/09/3776614/doj-sues-north-carolina/

That is what big government liberals do!

They bully and sue states to establish a nation without morals or values!

 
Forget the bathrooms, this is more about the girls locker rooms and showers.  But they want to make it seem less ominous by claiming this is just about bathrooms that have individual stalls.

 

 
AND that it's only about "Transgenders". Blatant dishonesty.

North Carolina Sues Federal Government Over LGBT Law (http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrBT7XQuzFXEbkAKYJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--/RV=2/RE=1462905936/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2ftime.com%2f4322751%2fnorth-carolina-sues-government-bathroom-lgbt-law%2f/RK=0/RS=AWQZpx1kyn3LdfD0vgxrqe3z4lY-)
Time Magazine
20 hours ago

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It seems to me that this issue should be a STATES RIGHT to make such edicts.

If the Justice Dept wishes to force states to do certain things - Why not look at the sanctuary cities?  That is totally against the laws of this nation.

WHY do Libs/Dems/Weirdos constantly come up with wacko schemes to make life miserable for Normal People? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

(http://images.memes.com/meme/947383)

What a F-ing stupid subject to be debating.  If ya got a dick, no matter how you feel, use the men's room.  If you have a pussy and can't write your name in the snow while peeing, use the women's room.

There, that was easy.

Next.

sounds just like the arguments you heard from your racist daddies when integration was the topic.

Except that race and perversion/mental condition are two different things!

discrimination isn't though.

So you think there shouldn't be separate bathrooms for men and women?  Men and women should have to share bathrooms?  Why do you take that position, Vit?  Don't you believe in modesty and privacy?

Discrimination is not it either!

Vit is saying transgenderism is not the issue at all.  He's saying men should be allowed to use whatever bathroom they want.  And if you object to men using women's bathrooms, you're a bigot.

I wonder if black people agree with Wvit's equating their struggle against racism to perverted men's struggle to get into the women's toilet?

I don't see any problem with transgender people using whatever bathroom the feel comfortable with.  We already had laws concerning assault, peeping, lewd conduct, etc.

How do you prove you're transgendered and not just some pervert?  There's no way to enforce it , so you would have to open it to everyone.  Men would have to be allowed to use the women's room.


I'm not concerned about that.  My concern is privacy and modesty.  Why should women have to endure this invasion into their privacy?  What about THEIR feelings?

Wvit,

Do you support eliminating sex signs on bathroom/ locker room doors?  That is anyone can use whatever bathroom/ locker room they like?  Is the women's club "Curves" discriminating against men and should be forced to allow men to join, and share the locker rooms with the female members?

transgender people have been using whatever bathroom they felt comfortable with up to now and I haven't heard any complaints about privacy.

It has nothing to do with transgendered people.

You're arguing that all people (tranny or not) should be allowed to use whatever bathroom they like.  Do you really support that?  You really think normal men should be allowed to use the ladies' room?  You really think all sex signs should be removed from bathroom/ locker room doors?

Let's get down the core issue here.  Get focused!

are you now planning on using the ladies room dan?  "normal" people will just continue to do what they've always done.

If a transgender male uses the Ladies room, he/she will have to use a stall. (ladies room only have stalls)  And if a transgender female uses the men room she/he will also have to use the stall. ( kind of hard for a she/he to sit on a urinal )  So what difference does it make which restroom they use?  They will have their privacy.  Until a transgender start molesting others, it's a non-issue...

Isn't it interesting that Wvit is squirming so hard to avoid answering the core question?  Why do you think he is afraid to answer?

Wvit is arguing that there shouldn't be a women's room or a men's room.  He argues that we should all share, that there should be no discrimination based on sex.

That is what he is arguing, but he is too ashamed to admit it.

Jig,

Are you saying it would be OK for a tranny to use the wrong bathroom, but it would be wrong for a man to use the wrong bathroom?  Why discriminate?  Why not allow everyone to use whatever bathroom they like?  Or do you still believe in modesty and privacy?

I didn't say any of that dan.  you seem to be trying hard to shape the conversation to agree with your thinking even if you have to resort to making things up.

Pay attention Dan.  What I said, no matter what restroom a tranny uses they will have to use the stalls.  Has nothing to do with modesty or privacy.
 
A tranny with a vagina has to use a toilet/stall.  A tranny with a penis could use the urinal, but would probably use the stall, after all he thinks he's a woman...   

OK then.  So you still do favor separate bathrooms for the separate sexes?  You think the signs should remain on the doors?  You think normal men should have to use the men's room, but trannies can use whatever bathroom they like?  How would you enforce that?  How do you prove a man using the women's room is NOT a tranny?


I'm trying to get you to admit what you are arguing for.  It appears you don't know.  I have won the argument, but you just refuse to admit it.

 

Would it be OK for a normal dude to use the stall in the women's room?  Or should he have to be a tranny?

trannies?  that's a very offensive term dan.   kinda like how your daddy called them darkies back in the day.   are you just using it for shock value or is that how you really speak around your buddies?


but back to the topic. 


what I believe is that it doesn't bother me if things stay the way they've always been where transexuals use whatever bathroom they feel comfortable with.

whether companies and others keep the men's and women's bathroom signs is up to them.  I'll use the bathroom somewhere either way.

(( Would it be OK for a normal dude to use the stall in the women's room? ))
 
 
whooowwwaaaaa  Dan!!!  I thought we were talking about trannies, not "normal dudes"  If you want to discuss normal dudes, then I suggest you start a new thread about normal dudes....

dan's evidently saying that he's planning on starting to use the ladies room for some reason.

North Carolina Sues Federal Government Over LGBT Law (http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrBT7XQuzFXEbkAKYJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--/RV=2/RE=1462905936/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2ftime.com%2f4322751%2fnorth-carolina-sues-government-bathroom-lgbt-law%2f/RK=0/RS=AWQZpx1kyn3LdfD0vgxrqe3z4lY-)
Time Magazine
20 hours ago

The Libs/Dems/Weirdos want your Wife and Young Girls to share the Ladies Room with random males like this!!!!

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Khalid_Shaikh_Mohammed_after_capture.jpg)

"are you now planning on using the ladies room dan?  "normal" people will just continue to do what they've always done"

wvit,
Are you now saying transgenders are abnormal? Thank you for making a point.

fags----


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So?  Answer the question.


Your daddy called trannies "darkies?"  What does that have to do with this conversation?


Thank you.  It's about time!


That's not what I asked.  Are you refusing to answer?


So you agree with the North Carolina law?  Otherwise, why have signs for separate sexes at all?

The law is not to keep trannies out of the wrong bathroom.  It is to keep EVERYONE out of the wrong bathroom!  It does not single out trannies.

back to changing quotes again tommy dan.  sounds about like your style when you get backed into a corner by your own bigotry.

No, we're not.  The North Carolina law has nothing to do with trannies particularly.  It's about making sure EVERYONE uses the correct bathroom.


That is what this discussion is about.  According to Wvit, telling a man he has to use the men's bathroom is bigoted.

If trannies get special permission to use the wrong bathroom, how do they prove they are really trannies?  How do you enforce it?  you would have to allow everyone to use whatever bathroom they want, whether they are tranny or not.

did I say anything like that dan?  why are you so prone to making up stuff?

Are you going to stop slandering my father, tommy vit?


That's my style when an asshole like you slanders my father and me.

You just violated two of the terms of conduct.  Are you pushing for a suspension?

Yes.  You called me a bigot because I said men should use the men's room.

no, I called you a bigot because you're a bigot and you say bigoted things.  Like calling people "trannies".

is that why you decided to change quotes?

Sorry but calling transvestites trannies is not an insult or bigotry!

You shout bigot in an attempt to silence opinion you cannot refute!

Why are you bigoted against heterosexuals?

Why do you think little girls should have to share a toilet with strange men who claim to think they are women?

Do you not see the danger in that?

maybe not for you d2, but for normal people the term "trannie" is derogatory


Let’s Learn The Nine Anti-Trans Slurs We Should All Avoid


Inspired by the Special Olympics campaign against the word “retard”, several associates of transgender-activist Monica Helms got together to make a PSA against trans slurs. So what words should we avoid when talking about our trans brothers and sisters?

It’s rude to call a trans person a “tranny, he-she, it, shemale, transvestite, man in a dress, hermaphrodite, or a freak.” It’s also rude to call them by the wrong gender pronoun—if you’re not sure, just ask which they prefer. And while we’re at it please don’t ask a trans person what their name “used to be” or questions about their genitals. What? Were you raised by goblins?


http://www.queerty.com/lets-learn-the-nine-anti-trans-slurs-we-should-avoid-20110620

Sorry, but I do not subscribe to political correct language as to do so would render speech impossible!

wvit,
You're the one calling trangenders..."abnormal"....does that include your hawkie?

Damn it!!!!   I did not realize it was broken until our Justice Dept decided they needed to fix it.  Why MUST we get outside our comfort zone as well as our strange side in order to include some group that did not need to included?

of course being transgendered is not normal.  I don't remember anyone saying it was.   The normal state of being is heterosexual, as most people are, but that doesn't make being transsexual something to be mocked or made fun of does it?

No it makes it a mental illness that needs to be treated not encouraged!

All things outside of the normalcy factor...need to be pointed out... It really doesn't matter if we make fun of them or not as it doesn't matter if it is out side of the acceptable of normal standards.

Should we ignore weird or strange? 

kensan you sound like a junior high school bully.  "All things outside of the normalcy factor...need to be pointed out... It really doesn't matter if we make fun of them or not as it doesn't matter if it is out side of the acceptable of normal standards"

Okay, Then YOU encourage them to get into the dressing rooms with your daughter... After all in your world normal is not normal. You want the LGBT's to have priority.

Is this something that hasn't been happening for years?  Were there people checking everyone's sex before that I never noticed?

We already have laws against molestation, peeping, assault, etc.  Your ideas are for laws that aren't addressing any problems they are just addressing your bigotry.

Just another example of government forcing people to associate with the mentally ill and the psychotically dangerous!

now you're saying that even being in the same room with someone is associating with them?   hahahahahahahahaa.  you must have a really hard time just leaving your home d2.

Yes!

I don't want the mentally ill and dangerous anywhere near me or my family!

like I said you must have a hard time just going out of the house d2. 

(( I don't want the mentally ill and dangerous anywhere near me or my family! ))
 
 
D2D displays Paranoia at it's finest...

Really?

You think it is paranoid not to want dangerous mentally ill people near me?

Really?

Yes Really. 

Wvit,

You lied when you called me a bigot.  I am not a bigot.  You owe me and my father apologies.

A further demonstration of the suicidal nature of liberalism!

Jigsaw, I will believe that when you have some transgendered people move in with you!

Perhaps I am a bigot. I have noticed that I do not feel comfortable with retarded people...Somehow, LGBT's affect me the same way. 

Must I be forced to accommodate them on a daily basis?  Do I not have a right to feel this way?

is someone forcing you to accommodate "them" on a daily basis?  when was the last time you were in the bathroom with a transgender kensan?

in re: Replies #2, #4, and #32

Justice Department sues over North Carolina law.

After informing North Carolina last week that House Bill 2 violates multiple sections of the federal Civil Rights act, the Department of Justice announced plans Monday to file a federal suit (http://thevillagessuntimes.com/2016/05/10/battle-over-north-carolinas-bathroom-law/) against the state, Governor McCrory, the North Carolina Department of Public Safety, and the University of North Carolina.

At least two provisions (http://www.ncleg.net/Applications/BillLookUp/LoadBillDocument.aspx?SessionCode=2015E2&DocNum=2&SeqNum=0) of federal law ban discrimination on the basis of sex - Title VII (http://www.aauw.org/what-we-do/legal-resources/know-your-rights-at-work/title-vii/) of the Civil Rights Act (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act), which covers and employment, and Title IX (https://www.justice.gov/crt/overview-title-ix-education-amendments-1972-20-usc-1681-et-seq) of the Education Amendments of 1972.

http://fayetteadvocate.com/2016/05/justice-department-sues-over-north-carolina-law/

How so?

(( Jigsaw, I will believe that when you have some transgendered people move in with you!  ))
 
 
You believe me??  I doubt that D2D.  Out of curiosity, what does having transgenders move in with me got to do with what bathroom they use.  In my home, they would have a choice of using two bathroom...

Here's how so -


DOJ letter to Gov. Pat McCrory on HB2

http://media.charlotteobserver.com/static/images/misc/HB2050412.pdf


DOJ letter to UNC on HB2

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article75647942.ece/BINARY/Read:%20DOJ%20letter%20to%20UNC

How?  You didn't say anything.

That statement means having separate bathrooms for men and women is illegal.

Why hasn't the federal government sued every state, every county and every city that has separate bathrooms according to sex?  Why hasn't the federal government removed the sex designation signs from all federally owned bathrooms?

the DOJ letters say it all tommy dan.  You should read them, they spell out exactly how NC's governor and legislature are wasting money fighting over settled law.

The interpretation of the Civil Rights Act is absurd on it's face.


Bye bye, tommy vit.  You know how Jim feels about that sort of behavior.  You have been given ample warning.

why did you cut the sentence off tommy dan?  why didn't you quote the entire sentence?

are you leaving tommy dan?

Because it's irrelevant, tommy vit.  The law has nothing whatsoever to do with trannies.  The NC law doesn't single out anyone for discrimination.  It applies to all four sexes.

You are, tommy vit.  You were warned several times not to do what you're doing.  I hope you find an outlet for your irrational rage elsewhere, where it can't do any harm.

It's not irrelevant tommy.  it's part of the sentence.  Your cutting it off is what makes your ideas and opinions nothing more than idiocy.

To: Dan
in re: Reply #66

At least two provisions (http://www.ncleg.net/Applications/BillLookUp/LoadBillDocument.aspx?SessionCode=2015E2&DocNum=2&SeqNum=0) of federal law ban discrimination on the basis of sex - Title VII (http://www.aauw.org/what-we-do/legal-resources/know-your-rights-at-work/title-vii/) of the Civil Rights Act (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act), which covers and employment, and Title IX (https://www.justice.gov/crt/overview-title-ix-education-amendments-1972-20-usc-1681-et-seq) of the Education Amendments of 1972.

No, Dan. The Justice Department's interpretation of the Civil Rights Act is not absurd; the rigmarole you and the forum's other right-wingnut are posting in his thread is what's absurd.

Yes it is, tommy.  The NC law says nothing about singling out any particular sex.  The law applies to everyone equally.  Men can't go into women's rooms and women can't go into men's rooms.  There is no discrimination against anyone, unless you think that men should have the right to use the ladies room and that all sex sign on bathrooms are illegal.  Is that what you're saying, tommy?

dan's full of it today.  hahahahahahahaha

Where is the discrimination based on sex in the North Carolina law, Hawk?  Aren't you stating that having separate bathrooms for the separate sexes is also a violation of law?

All the North Carolina law does is reiterate what the signs on the bathrooms already say.

So unless you think separate bathrooms are illegal, then yes, the charge is absurd.

dan, the answers to all your questions are spelled out in the letters. 

Just stating common sense, vit.  You're the one who thinks men can use the women's room and women can use the men's room.  I'm not the one making ridiculous statements.

They don't explain how the NC law discriminates.

Am I discriminated against for being told I can't use the women's room?  Why hasn't AG Lynch sued for my right as a heterosexual male to use the women's room?  I am being discriminated against, right?

It's not just trannies being discriminated against.  Heterosexuals are not allowed to use the wrong bathroom either.

The Civil Rights Act does not protect just trannies.  It protects heterosexuals as well.  You can't have laws that protect just trannies.  If the NC law is overturned, not just trannies, but heterosexuals as well will have the right to use the wrong bathrooms.

You can use the ladies room if you want to dan

I was in a crowded hotel lobby and witnessed a woman go into the men's room because the line for the women's room was too long.  A security guard stopped her and issued her a citation.

Were her rights to use whatever bathroom she wants violated?  Were her civil rights violated?

Why can't we have a society where men and women can feel safe and secure in public restrooms/ changing rooms?  Why can't we have laws that protect our privacy and modesty?

The Libs/Dems/Weirdos have made life SO COMPLICATED for EVERYONE with their silly "Political Correctness".

There IS no such thing as "Transgender" even POSSIBLE!!!!!!

The genes of each human contain chromosomes.

If your genes contain the XX chromosomes, you ARE a FEMALE.

If your genes contain the XY chromosomes, you ARE a MALE.

There is NO WAY to CHANGE your chromosomes from XX to XY or XY to XX. NO POSSIBLE WAY, PERIOD!!!!!!!

Therefore, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY to change from Male to Female OR Female to Male!!!!

AND, therefore, the is NO SUCH THING as a "Transgender"!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-determination_system

An XY person SHOULD NOT be in a Restroom for XX people.  And, VICE-VERSA!!!!!!

All liberals are doing is further enabling mental illness!

Sad to see how much they enjoy abusing people!

Dan: The law has nothing whatsoever to do with trannies.

Dan, despite what you and our forum's other right-wingers have been babbling for the past several days, the real threat to North Carolina’s children has nothing to do with transgender people.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amanda-oliver/the-real-threat-to-north-carolinas-children-trans_b_9649958.html

That's what I just said.  The threat is from dudes (tranny or not) invading the privacy of women.  Men are less threatened by chicks invading our privacy.  It's women who are most threatened by this idiotic Obama policy.

D2D: All liberals are doing is further enabling mental illness.

Looks like we've done a damn good job on your mentally ill ass, D2DOOFAS.

I see nothing to back that up in this post hawk.  Do you have a mouse in your pocket when you say " WE'VE"??.

Dan: The threat is from dudes (tranny or not) invading the privacy of women.  Men are less threatened by chicks invading our privacy.  It's women who are most threatened by this idiotic Obama policy.

What facts are you citing, Dan? What you posted above looks to me like another of your laughable attempts to soundintelligent and intellectual--like you actually know what the fuck you're talking about.

And, by the way, what "Obama" policy are you referring to, Dan? North Carolina's General Assembly (state legislature) passed HB2 in response to an attempt by the city of Charlotte to expand a protect the rights of its LGBT population. stop trying to alter the facts to suit your bogus argument!

Hawk, what I said is not in question.  The Obama administration has made it abundantly clear that they support trannies (but not normal people) using the wrong bathroom.  They published a letter to all public schools to that effect.  They are suing North Carolina because of it.

This is not a secret.  They fully admit it.

Why do you want women to have to endure tranny freaks invading their privacy?  What is wrong with you?

At our Local High School, Football Players have volunteered to stand guard at the entrance to the Ladies Rooms in the school to prevent
   males from entering and ejecting any that are found in there. The school itself is not involved with this voluntary activity.

BRAVO!!!!!

1965hawks says opposing liberalism makes you mentally ill just the same excuse Communists used on prominent dissenters in the old Soviet Union!

Liberal tactics never change!

Life in Wvits world.  "is someone forcing you to accommodate "them" on a daily basis?  when was the last time you were in the bathroom with a transgender kensan?"

'Wvit, to the best of my knowledge I HAVE NOT been in any restroom with you or your type.'

Someone else said, "If you can write your name in the snow...come into the male restroom... If your cannot because (you have a pussy)  go somewhere else,.

It was not a problem until the liberal jackasses decided to find a program that could get them 3 more votes.

The depravity has become main stream... it has to stop.

Libs/Dems/Weirdos have MADE all their wackiness mainstream with the help of SOBama and his Regime and
   the willing Lamestream Media!!!

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/04/Bathroom-protest-poster-640x480.png)

Bathrooms today. College dorms, miss America pageant, sports tomorrow.

To see this in the light of day and not some politically charged tirade.

Some one needs to go into the regular men's room at stores and restaurants... There may be one stall with a door that contains a toilet.  as well on the inside walls there may be one or two urinals and a sink to wash your hands and some paper towels or some sort of air device to dry your hands.

I don't know what ladies rooms look like, I have to assume they have more stalls as well no urinals.

I really DO NOT see the need for this legislation, I did hear this morning that Obama announced that he may cut off federal aid to the schools who refuse to cooperate in this action.

My advice to him would be to BUTT-OUT!!!!  There are far far far more important issues than this that our president should be doing rather than getting into a problem that did not have to exist.

I had a friend who used to come out of the men's room  and tell the waitress, "I'm glad I'm not an employee here, they have to wash their hands".  It usually got some laughs.

To: a777pilot, D2D, DaBoz, Dan, HK91-762mm, jim, jst-the-fax,  KensanIV sine-quo-non, sweetwater5s9, and WWV10MHZ

What all of you are doing here is simply posting and reposting the same stupid and ignorant bullshit over and over again, none of which--of course!--is based on any factual evidence whatever, only on your perverted imagination and prudish beliefs. As is always the case when it come our forum's right-wingers, you're trying to argue an issue that you evidently (and obviously) don't really understand, or know nothing about, in the first place.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/24/471700323/north-carolina-passes-law-blocking-measures-to-protect-lgbt-
people

http://www.npr.org/2016/05/12/477835922/how-north-carolinas-house-bill-2-governs-bathrooms-and-beyond   

Why isn't anyone concerned about keeping priests out of little boys?

North Carolina Sues Federal Government Over LGBT Law (http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrBT7XQuzFXEbkAKYJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--/RV=2/RE=1462905936/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2ftime.com%2f4322751%2fnorth-carolina-sues-government-bathroom-lgbt-law%2f/RK=0/RS=AWQZpx1kyn3LdfD0vgxrqe3z4lY-)
Time Magazine




It should be left up to the States not Obama and the federal government.   (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/107w9oy.gif)

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(http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/files/2016/04/Bathroom-Access.png)

Sexual predators in Ladies Rooms:

http://www.protectfayetteville.com/dangers-to-women-and-children.html

And women who falsely accuse men of rape in the Men's room.

You, 1965hawks, keep posting the same old Democrat party line!

Why?

Do you think if you keep repeating the lie it will be accepted as truth?

(http://www.transadvocate.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/FoxNews.png)

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/04/Bathroom-protest-poster-640x480.png)

WWV10MHZ,

Why would a transgendered male be peeking over the wall in the ladies room? That looks like something you and other perverts would most likely do. Tell Joyce's Campaign for Decency in the World to shut the fuck up.

North Carolina Sues Federal Government Over LGBT Law (http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrBT7XQuzFXEbkAKYJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--/RV=2/RE=1462905936/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2ftime.com%2f4322751%2fnorth-carolina-sues-government-bathroom-lgbt-law%2f/RK=0/RS=AWQZpx1kyn3LdfD0vgxrqe3z4lY-)
Time Magazine




It should be left up to the States not Obama and the federal government.  It cannot be said enough...  (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/107w9oy.gif)

In reply #106 I provided evidence to show how misdirected the opposition to North Carolina's House Bill 2 is in this forum.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/24/471700323/north-carolina-passes-law-blocking-measures-to-protect-lgbt-people

http://www.npr.org/2016/05/12/477835922/how-north-carolinas-house-bill-2-governs-bathrooms-and-beyond

Not surprisingly, however, WWV10MHZ immediately responded with a silly cartoon and an even sillier post of an ignorant, and disinformed red neck (one of Trump's preferred constituents).

And, furthermore, the author of the article that supposedly reports the "dangers" to women and children needs to learn the difference between a transgendered person and a crossdresser. Every incident I read about concerned crossdressers, not transgendered persons.

And, finally, in the story about the uproar in the female locker room, the "uproar" was actually caused by the female students, not by the transgendered male. And there was no mention at all that the females in the locker room were in any danger. Right-wing opposition to HB2 (read Hate Bill 2) is based on fear and ignorance, not on fact.



 

To: sweetwater5s9

in re: Reply #108

Why do you continue to ignore the fact that the federal government also filed suit?

http://www.wcnc.com/news/politics/national-politics/doj-sues-nc-over-hb2-bathroom-provision/182880692

sweetwater5s9: It should be left to the states, not [to] Obama and the federal government.


It seems to me that [it] should be a state's right to make such edicts.
___KensanIV, reply #7

Both arguments conveniently ignore the historical fact that states have a well-documented record of not protecting the rights of minorities. In fact, in most cases the states passed laws that actually limited the rights of certain groups rather than expanding and protecting them. And for that reason the federal government had to step in and force the states into compliance.

Man in bra and wig lurking in Womens Room:

http://komonews.com/archive/police-man-in-bra-and-wig-found-in-womens-bathroom

They are, lys.

Considering the rate of molestation is pretty similar with all clergy, don't single out priests.  Or are you in favor of any clergyman except priests having their way with kids?

Why should your Wife and Little Girls worry about men being in their toilet areas?

There's NOTHING to worry about.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gpCUMdfRa9w/maxresdefault.jpg)

It should be left up to the States not Obama and the federal government.  It cannot be said enough...  (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/107w9oy.gif)

WWV10MHZ: Why should your wife and little girls worry about men being in their toilet areas? There's nothing to worry about.

WWV10MHZ, you're right.There's nothing to worry about; transgender men pose no danger to females in ladies restrooms, locker rooms, changing rooms, etc. The predatory transgendered man in the ladies room is a figment of your perverted, right-wingnut  imagination.

http://www.wcnc.com/opinion/the-imaginary-predator-in-americas-transgender-bathroom-war_/184567004

 

An eight-year-old girl was taken to Comer Children’s Hospital following a traumatic attack in a restaurant bathroom.
Conflicting reports have been released regarding some of the details of the incident that occured at Jason’s Deli at Chicago’s South Loop. Fox32 (http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/140640238-story) reports the girl went into the restroom alone, but ABC7 (http://abc7chicago.com/news/man-chokes-8-year-old-girl-in-south-loop-bathroom-police-say/1336656/) writes that the mother was in a separate stall when the attack occurred.
What remains consistent through all reports is that the girl was allegedly targeted by the adult male suspect, who choked her into unconsciousness and tried to be alone with her in a bathroom stall.
Additionally, her mother heard her scream before she lost consciousness and attempted to save her but was shoved by the man, who was later subdued by others at the restaurant.

http://injo.com/2016/05/606213-after-her-8-year-old-girl-screams-in-the-bathroom-mom-makes-a-shocking-discovery-in-the-stall/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=owned&utm_campaign=morning-newsletter (http://injo.com/2016/05/606213-after-her-8-year-old-girl-screams-in-the-bathroom-mom-makes-a-shocking-discovery-in-the-stall/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=owned&utm_campaign=morning-newsletter)

Of course, this happened in lawless Chicago!

“The sad part is that no one would come help me either. Several people stood around and watched this happen to me".

Good point...

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One issue I feel very passionately about, is the need for women to be properly armed. This world is unfortunately full of predators.

So I’ve compiled a list of the top 10 handguns (in no particular order) suitable for concealed carry for women (or the elderly). I can speak with some authority on this issue too, as my wife is a two time cancer survivor. The disease and treatments left her with a sensory peripheral neuropathy in her extremities. Essentially, that means she now has decreased strength and sensation in her hands, so this does pose some unique challenges when selecting an adequate concealed carry weapon. Especially considering that many women tend to wear tighter fitting clothing than men at times.

Please do keep in mind that it’s essential to find the right pistol that works for you. The above list is in no particular order, and is only my professional opinion based on my experiences, other women’s experiences, and my law enforcement background.

Perhaps the proper weapon for you isn’t even listed above. What works well for one woman, might not work at all for another. Look at (and shoot it if possible) as many different options before purchasing, and bear in mind that you’re making an investment in your (and possibly your children’s) safety. Any gun is always better than no gun at all, so find what works best for you within your budget. Shoot and train regularly, and carry always. Your family deserves it!

List cont @

http://buzzpo.com/top-10-best-concealed-carry-guns-women/ (http://buzzpo.com/top-10-best-concealed-carry-guns-women/)


The Top 10 Best Concealed Carry Guns For Women

In reply #122KensanIV's contention is that, first, we should determine exactly who the minority is here. Well, KensanIV can easily answer his own question by asking himself this simple question: Who are the majority in the US, those who self-identify as LBGT or those who self-identify as either male or female?

Another red herring from 1965hawks!

The plain and simple fact is letting men into women's restrooms is a recipe for disaster!

Anyone with a lick of common sense would know that!

Sadly, liberalism is based on the avoidance of common sense!

To: WWV10MHZ and D2D
in re: Replies #119 and #125

There's nothing in either article that identifies the attackers as transgendered males or that the attackers self-identify as transgendered males, But, considering the facts, that should come as no surprise.

 "There have not been any public safety issues" in cities that allow transgender people to use the bathroom of the gender they identify as.

http://www.politifact.com/north-carolina/statements/2016/apr/01/chris-sgro/equality-nc-director-no-public-safety-risks-cities/

The <culink title="" class="culinks" style="color:rgb(51, 51, 51)!important;font-weight:400!important;" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/National Center for Transgender Equality" culang="en">National Center for Transgender Equality</culink>, the <culink title="" class="culinks" style="color:rgb(51, 51, 51)!important;font-weight:400!important;" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/Human Rights Campaign" culang="en">Human Rights Campaign</culink> and the <culink title="" class="culinks" style="color:rgb(51, 51, 51)!important;font-weight:400!important;" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/American Civil Liberties Union" culang="en">American Civil Liberties Union</culink> say there is no statistical evidence of violence to justify the laws.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/04/28/transgender-bathroom-bills-discrimination/32594395/

Doesn't matter, Wvit!

Having men, no matter their gender confusion, in the women's room is asking for trouble!

That perverted imagination of yours is running wild is running wild, D2D.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/04/28/transgender-bathroom-bills-discrimination/32594395/

"There have not been any public safety issues" in cities that allow transgender people to use the bathroom of the gender they identify as.

http://www.politifact.com/north-carolina/statements/2016/apr/01/chris-sgro/equality-nc-director-no-public-safety-risks-cities/

How about a public safety issue with perverts claiming to be transgendered entering a female rest room or locker room.

duke_john: How about a public safety issue with perverts claiming to be transgendered entering a female rest room or locker room.

How about duke_john stop repeating  that false claim until he can provide factual evidence to substantiate that claim?

There have not been any public safety issues" in cities that allow transgender people to use the bathroom of the gender they identify as.

http://www.politifact.com/north-carolina/statements/2016/apr/01/chris-sgro/equality-nc-director-no-public-safety-risks-cities/

 

You've never heard of sexual assault, hawks?  I need not substantiate that it exists.

Right just as there have been no crimes related to Obama's open borders policy!

The transgendered suffer a disorder of "assumption" like those in other disorders familiar to psychiatrists. With the transgendered, the disordered assumption is that the individual differs from what seems given in nature—namely one's maleness or femaleness. Other kinds of disordered assumptions are held by those who suffer from anorexia and bulimia nervosa, where the assumption that departs from physical reality is the belief by the dangerously thin that they are overweight….

Psychiatrists obviously must challenge the solipsistic concept that what is in the mind cannot be questioned. Disorders of consciousness, after all, represent psychiatry's domain; declaring them off-limits would eliminate the field….

And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery.   We at Johns Hopkins University—which in the 1960s was the first American medical center to venture into "sex-reassignment surgery"— but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn't have the surgery.

Dr. Paul McHugh



Obama would not understand.

Factually this restroom stupidity has not been in effect long enough to efficiency determine IF IT IS OR IS NOT WORKING and if the general public has had time to make any determination as to the safety or lack of safety in the liberal ruling.

It is going to take a few more months and lots of more restrooms getting the gender bending instructions.

Sure the 1% of sexually WEIRD  have an opportunity to choose the restrooms of their choice... But the 99% of NORMAL will feel disenfranchised by such a ruling.

Time will tell.