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Title: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 06, 15, 03:34:46:PM
Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson's campaign said on Friday he never applied nor was accepted to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, apparently contradicting an account in Carson's autobiography that he had been offered a full scholarship by the prestigious school.
The admission, following doubts over some of Carson's other recollections of his youth, could be a setback for the 64-year old retired neurosurgeon's campaign, even as he is tied with rival Donald Trump at the top of Republican presidential primary polls.
The details of a scholarship were included in Carson's account of a meeting with General William Westmoreland in 1969 when Carson was a high school student in the ROTC program, which provides preliminary military training for students interested in becoming officers.
"His Senior Commander was in touch with West Point and told Dr. Carson he could get in, Dr. Carson did not seek admission," campaign spokesman Doug Watts told Reuters in an email.
In Carson's 1990 autobiography, 'Gifted Hands,' he wrote: "Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point." He added that despite turning the offer down, "As overjoyed as I felt to be offered such a scholarship, I wasn't really tempted."


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: D2D on 11 06, 15, 03:38:05:PM
Took you long enough!

At least no one died because of his lie!

Hillary lied and people died and were falsely imprisoned!

How do you justify that?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 06, 15, 03:40:55:PM
I thought you like Carson.  Now you find out he's a liar.

I don't think he's a liar, I think he has mental issues.  What else could explain his strange beliefs and complete rejections of historic events?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: justincase on 11 06, 15, 03:43:38:PM
Carson Plummets in Polls Amid Reports He Did Not Stab Anyone


DES MOINES (The Borowitz Report (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report))—New reports indicating that Ben Carson might not have actually stabbed anyone during his youth have sent the retired neurosurgeon plummeting in the latest Republican Presidential polls.

Carson supporters, reeling from the news that their candidate’s past might have been devoid of stabbing, have deserted his candidacy in droves, suggesting that Republican voters viewed Carson’s stabbing as a key part of his résumé.

Indeed, a recent University of Minnesota poll showed that a full third of Carson supporters singled out “his stabbing experience” as a top reason for supporting him for the nation’s highest office.

In Iowa, where Carson was the front-runner before the non-stabbing bombshell hit, voters like Carol Foyler, of Des Moines, expressed dismay and disillusionment that the retired doctor might have fabricated his stabbing exploits to make himself more appealing to Republican voters.

“I was on the fence about Ben Carson, but the stabbing thing really won me over,” she said. “Now, I don’t know what to think.”


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: wmdn_bs on 11 06, 15, 03:45:16:PM
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20151106/us--gop_2016-carson-98702f89ef.html (http://apnews.excite.com/article/20151106/us--gop_2016-carson-98702f89ef.html)

He seems to be forced to walk back a lot of his statements.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: upyrwazoo on 11 06, 15, 04:48:19:PM
apparently contradicting an account in Carson's autobiography that he had been offered a full scholarship by the prestigious school.

HE HAD A VERY GOOD ROTC RECORD AND IT IS MORE LIKELY THAN NOT THAT AS A MINORITY WITH GREAT GRADES HE WOULD HAVE BEEN "SCOUTED" FOR THE ACADEMY! FACT IS YOU LIBERALS ASSHOLES NOBODY PAYS TO GO TO WEST POINT OR ANY OTHER SERVICE ACADEMY SO IF HE WAS OFFERED A CHANCE TO GO THERE FREE IT WOULD BE NORMAL FOR A NON MILITARY PERSON TO REFER TO THAT AS A SCHOLARSHIP! YOU FUCKS ON THE LEFT MUST BE VERY SCARED OF CARSON TO HAVE TO REACH FOR SUCH STUPIDITY AS THIS TO TRY AND TAKE HIM DOWN!

HOW ABOUT THE xxxx!! HILLARY AND HER BEING UNDER SNIPER FIRE NOW THERE IS A FLAT OUT LIE!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: wxzyw on 11 06, 15, 04:52:13:PM



Isn't it amazing how the liberal media can scour and dig and dig and lie about decent political candidates.... and not one iota from the press about Bill Clinton's pedophilia case or Hillary's foundation!



Amazing!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: upyrwazoo on 11 06, 15, 04:57:19:PM
IT'S A GOOD INDICATOR OF WHO THEY ARE MOST AFRAID OF!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Jim on 11 06, 15, 05:12:10:PM
Carson lied about West Point acceptance
 
Then it would appear he has some 'splaining to do... Right?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Byteryder on 11 06, 15, 05:15:17:PM
Why don't you guys tell us whats RIGHT with you candidates rather than whats WRONG with the opposition.  Oh, wait.. I forgot there isn't any with wrong with Hillary or Karl Jr.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: WWV10MHZ on 11 06, 15, 05:26:18:PM
A conversation from 1969?

Who would remember something like that with a high degree of accuracy?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 06, 15, 05:27:02:PM
Hillary will be your next president because she and her husband are patriotic americans trying to do the right thing for our country.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Jim on 11 06, 15, 05:28:31:PM


Hillary will be your next president because: "its her turn."   There - fixed it for you..


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Baretta19 on 11 06, 15, 05:57:56:PM
Carson lied about West Point acceptance
 
ROFL..I see the left only took 1.2 seconds to start spewing their vile hatred, it always amazes me that they open their mouths BEFORE they find out the ACTUALLY TRUTH, And when they do find the ACTUAL TRUTH they simply ignore it.
 
I fairly confident that Dr Carson knows the only thing a lie will lead to is a vote from a Democrat


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: davik62 on 11 06, 15, 06:00:33:PM
We should have 13 or 14 Congressional Hearings where Carson will explain What he lied about, and WHEN did he lie about it?

We also need to know how many Americans died, could have died and will die because of this!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: D2D on 11 06, 15, 06:16:50:PM
We know  4 needlessly died because Hillary put politics over human lives!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: davik62 on 11 06, 15, 06:18:26:PM
You KNOW nothing.

Show me the CONVICTION, or STFU you biased POS.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: chuck_curtis on 11 06, 15, 06:35:37:PM
Clinton's lies don't mean anything, so why should Carson's?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Dan on 11 06, 15, 06:46:16:PM
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he never applied nor was accepted to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point

Correct.

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contradicting an account in Carson's autobiography that he had been offered a full scholarship by the prestigious school.

He never said he applied to West Point.  West Point did offer scholarships back then.

I can only conclude Politico is racist.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Dan on 11 06, 15, 06:46:53:PM
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At least no one died because of his lie!

Actually he didn't.  The lib media is lying.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Dan on 11 06, 15, 06:48:59:PM
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I don't think he's a liar

You are correct.

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I think he has mental issues.

Yes.  Genius is a mental issue.

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his strange beliefs

Strange to whackos, perhaps.

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and complete rejections of historic events?

Bullshit.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Dan on 11 06, 15, 06:50:41:PM
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Carson lied about West Point acceptance

Then it would appear he has some 'splaining to do... Right?

Actually, he never claimed that, Jim.  Don't let the libs trick you.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: wmdn_bs on 11 06, 15, 06:55:46:PM
I know it takes awhile for news to get all the way to Anchorage so it is reasonable for you to not know that Carson admitted today that it was not true that he was offered a scholarship to West Point.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Dan on 11 06, 15, 07:00:48:PM
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I know it takes awhile for news to get all the way to Anchorage

Then how do you account for the fact I learned about the politico story being a lie before you?  Seems like Anchorage is on the cutting edge of information.  Or are you just intentionally ignorant?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: D2D on 11 06, 15, 07:12:10:PM
Ben Carson defended his long-told story of a "scholarship" to West Point today, responding to scrutiny by saying that he merely had received an "informal" offer of a free ride to the military academy.
"Because I had done so extraordinarily well you know I was told that someone like me [could] get a scholarship to West Point," Carson told the New York Times. "It was, you know, an informal ‘with a record like yours we could easily get you a scholarship to West Point.'"
Allies of the former neurosurgeon, who has slowly risen to the top of 2016 Republican primary polls, had been making a similar case all day. The argument -- which depends on a careful parsing of verbs -- is that he never applied, even after being told he'd be a sure-thing candidate. The point, which found many takers in conservative media, was that the controversy could be dismissed as a witch hunt.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/06/ben-carsons-allies-defend-west-point-story-he-got-an-offer-did-not-apply/


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: chuck_curtis on 11 06, 15, 07:29:25:PM
Carson stated that he was offered a full scholarship to West Point, in his book.  Fact is, his statement is inaccurate because we was not offered a full scholarship to West Point.

But if Clinton's lies don't mean anything, why should Carson's?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Dan on 11 06, 15, 07:38:00:PM
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we was not offered a full scholarship to West Point.

Why do you say that?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: chuck_curtis on 11 06, 15, 07:40:56:PM
It was suggested to him, by a General, that if he applied, he would likely be offered a full scholarship. 


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Dan on 11 06, 15, 07:44:06:PM
So he was correct.  And Politico lied.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: jst-the-fax on 11 06, 15, 07:48:33:PM
wvit,

Why do the polls have the Clinton Crime Family losing to all Republicans except Donald Trump?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Dan on 11 06, 15, 07:52:36:PM
Actually, she is losing to Trump too.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: jst-the-fax on 11 06, 15, 09:44:09:PM
Dan,

The latest poll I saw was them beating Trump by 3 points...so well within the margin of error.  But the FBI is soon going to make a recommendation to prosecute Mrs. Clinton...and if the DOJ refuses...that will hurt her almost as much. 


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: davik62 on 11 06, 15, 10:07:38:PM
but West Point does NOT give scholarships.  If you accepted it is all free, in exchange for military service.

He lied.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: KensanIV on 11 06, 15, 10:53:14:PM
West Point DOES NOT offer scholarships... You HAVE TO BE APPOINTED BY A LOCAL CONGRESSMAN OR SENATOR WHO IS ALLOWED ONE INDIVIDAL APOPOINTMENT PER YEAR.  You would have had to take a pretty serious test before even being offered.  I knew a guy once who was second alternative for the Naval Academy.

Each congressman may select 10 choices for appointments... Thru a series of tests and interviews it is narrowed down to ONE APPOINTMENT... per year.

I would believe if he was as good of a student as I hear he was... It may have been discussed by someone such as a counselor who had no power to obtain it...unless he used a lot of influence.  Most counselors (if they are worth a chit) know about military scholarships... and perhaps he could have been offered a 4 year ROTC scholarship.

I went to a land grant university, as such in those days all male students had to take basic ROTC for two years... It was their choice if they wished to continue into the advanced program which would entitle them to a small stipend for the final two years and a commission in the reserve upon graduation... There was also a possible full ride scholarship for the last two years.. Again one had to apply and take the tests to even get that, as well there was the agreement to get the commission and go on active duty upon graduation.

Had I been offered, I would have gladly have accepted an appt.  Frankly, my grades nor was my HS behavior all that wonderful. I did manage to get a scholarship that paid my tuition and books, I hate to tell you this, but it was $185.00 per semester and we were on a trimester basis.  I as a day student.

I doubt seriously that he told such a lie as to refusing a West Point scholarship.  Those are not offered without application and some genuine desire.

I would suspect he is telling the truth. 


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: davik62 on 11 06, 15, 11:05:59:PM
If he lied about this, and has such other WACKO ideas, like pyramids used for grain,

why should we trust him with nuclear weapons?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: KensanIV on 11 07, 15, 11:50:54:AM
But a dame who has lied just to be lying is okay in your world to be our POTUS.  Your statement tells us more about you than it does about any R running for the office.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: takncarabizniz on 11 07, 15, 11:51:48:AM
A politician who don't lie?  LOL


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: D2D on 11 07, 15, 11:52:58:AM
Ben Carson defended his long-told story of a "scholarship" to West Point today, responding to scrutiny by saying that he merely had received an "informal" offer of a free ride to the military academy.
"Because I had done so extraordinarily well you know I was told that someone like me [could] get a scholarship to West Point," Carson told the New York Times. "It was, you know, an informal ‘with a record like yours we could easily get you a scholarship to West Point.'"
Allies of the former neurosurgeon, who has slowly risen to the top of 2016 Republican primary polls, had been making a similar case all day. The argument -- which depends on a careful parsing of verbs -- is that he never applied, even after being told he'd be a sure-thing candidate. The point, which found many takers in conservative media, was that the controversy could be Dismissed as a witch hunt.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/06/ben-carsons-allies-defend-west-point-story-he-got-an-offer-did-not-apply/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/06/ben-carsons-allies-defend-west-point-story-he-got-an-offer-did-not-apply/)


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: KensanIV on 11 07, 15, 12:01:39:PM
None of us alive today really know what or why the pyramids were really constructed. We weren't there. Hell,  for all I know they could have been used as a parking garage for the chariots.

The story about the grain storage WAS NOT invented by Carson.. that is part of the educational knowledge that he received from others.

I don't think the man lies to make himself look more presidential as does a woman who is running on the D ticket.

You guys are just looking for anything that makes him look worse than he is.  And then  you wish to turn it into a huge deal to hide the flaws of your candidate.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: caserio1 on 11 07, 15, 12:04:24:PM
that's what we call convoluted logic


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: davik62 on 11 07, 15, 12:04:43:PM
Pretty dang sure it was used for a tomb.  The burial chambers and left over remains kinda give it away...  :P


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: caserio1 on 11 07, 15, 12:10:55:PM
not to mention the architectual drawings


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: davik62 on 11 07, 15, 12:15:37:PM
Anyway, why would we want such a whacko liar in the White House?

He could order people killed or jailed for no good reason...


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: davik62 on 11 07, 15, 12:16:33:PM
Can you imagine all the deaths if he got his hands on a drone?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: wxzyw on 11 07, 15, 12:22:43:PM
Anyway, why would we want such a whacko liar in the White House?

He could order people killed or jailed for no good reason...


Well, there we have it!

This POS who believes propaganda and would rather have a corrupt liar in the White House who doesn't give a shit about American lives or ambassador lives... nor does she care about National secrets!

Good thinking a-hole.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: davik62 on 11 07, 15, 12:24:36:PM
She has LOST More sleep over those lives than the WHOLE committee put together!

The White House is secure.  And if it is not, then tech people's heads will roll!

See?  You LIE!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: D2D on 11 07, 15, 12:59:17:PM
The only thing Hillary would lose sleep over is dropping in the polls!

She is a heartless bitch who abandoned our people who were in harm's way!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 07, 15, 01:00:29:PM
not really D2. 


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: D2D on 11 07, 15, 01:01:36:PM
Dr. Ben Carson came under attack after a Politico story blasted out (http://www.ijreview.com/2015/11/464986-ben-carson-campaign-blasts-outright-lie-politico-story-about-west-point-background/) that his campaign admitted to “fabricating” a story about being offered a “full scholarship” to West Point.
The news and politics website has since walked back (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598) its headline and its story about the Republican presidential candidate.

Ben Carson just went after the media for its different treatment of himself and Barack Obama during their respective political campaigns:

“I do not remember this level of scrutiny for one president Barack Obama when he was running. In fact, I remember just the opposite.”

The black conservative has also been recently characterized as “crazy (http://www.mediaite.com/online/ben-carson-should-produce-his-long-form-stabbing-certificate/)” in several news media outlets.
A recent Fox News national poll shows (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/04/carson-other-gop-candidates-top-clinton-in-latest-national-poll/) Ben Carson ahead of Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton 50-40 in a potential head-to-head matchup in a presidential election.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/11/465399-ben-carson-just-torches-media-with-scathing-indictment-of-his-treatment-versus-that-of-obama/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=owned&utm_campaign=morning-newsletter


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: caserio1 on 11 07, 15, 01:06:05:PM
hill will mop the floor with this amateur

not even the sympathy vote would save him


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: wxzyw on 11 07, 15, 01:08:06:PM
The only thing Hillary would lose sleep over is dropping in the polls!

She is a heartless bitch who abandoned our people who were in harm's way!


BINGO


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: D2D on 11 07, 15, 01:08:58:PM
Yes, Caserio, we all know democrats go for the oily used car salesman types!

Just look at Obama and Clinton!

Caserio, I know you would buy an over priced lemon if the dealership gave you a few free hot dogs!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 07, 15, 01:23:31:PM
D2D: The news and politics website has since walked back (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598) its headline and its story about the Republican presidential candidate.

Stop making a fool of yourself, D2D. Carson himself has admitted he lied.

http://alternet.org/news-amp-politics/ben-carson-admits-he-lied-about-inspirational-west-point-story (http://alternet.org/news-amp-politics/ben-carson-admits-he-lied-about-inspirational-west-point-story)


The black conservative has also been recently characterized as “crazy (http://www.mediaite.com/online/ben-carson-should-produce-his-long-form-stabbing-certificate/)” in several news media outlets.

And they have good reason for calling Carson crazy, D2D.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2072779/ben-carson-politically-incorrect-or-raving-lunatic-six-quotes-proving-dr-carson-is-a-crazy-person/ (http://www.inquisitr.com/2072779/ben-carson-politically-incorrect-or-raving-lunatic-six-quotes-proving-dr-carson-is-a-crazy-person/)

LOL


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: davik62 on 11 07, 15, 01:39:30:PM
Once again, DVD thinks its Opinions are Facts.

LMAO, what an ignorant ass.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: D2D on 11 07, 15, 01:42:11:PM
I cited my sources what have you done, Davik?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 07, 15, 02:35:37:PM
KensanIV: West Point DOES NOT offer scholarships[.] You HAVE TO BE APPOINTED BY A LOCAL CONGRESSMAN OR SENATOR WHO IS ALLOWED ONE INDIVIDAL APOPOINTMENT PER YEAR.

Fact: West point doesn't offer scholarships. Here's another fact, KensanIV: No member of Congress endosed Carson's application  to the United States Military Academy 



You would have had to take a pretty serious test before even being offered.  I knew a guy once who was second alternative for the Naval Academy.

That's irrelevant, KensanIV. We're not discussing the guy you once knew. We're discussing the liar Ben Carson.

Each congressman may select 10 choices for appointments[.] Thru Through a series of tests and interviews it is narrowed down to ONE APPOINTMENT per year.

That's another red herring, KensanIV. Carson never was appointed to the Academy; in fact, there's no record of his ever applying to attend.

I would believe if he was as good of a student as I hear he was[,] It it may have been discussed by someone such as a counselor who had no power to obtain it[,]unless he used a lot of influence.

Your babbling about Carson's scholastics and his high school counselor(s) is another red herring, KensanIV. It does not change the fact that Ben Carson's story about his West Point "scholarship" is a fabrication, something Carson himself has admitted.


Most counselors (if they are worth a chit shit) know about military scholarships and perhaps he could have had been offered a [four-year] ROTC scholarship.

That's yet another red herring, KensanIV. Your hypothetical argument that counselors know about scholarships, and that perhaps Carson could had been offered an ROTC scholarship, does not change the fact that he lied about his receiving a West Point scholarship. Does it, KensanIV?

I went to a land grant university, as such in those days all male students had to take basic ROTC for two years. It was their choice if they wished to continue into the advanced program which would entitle them to a small stipend for the final two years and a commission in the reserve upon graduation.

But that has absolutely nothing to do with Carson's lying about his USMA scholarship. Does it, KensanIV. That's just another red herring you tossed out as an irrelevant distraction. Isn't that right, Kensan IV?

There was also a possible full ride scholarship for the last two years.. Again one had to apply and blah blah blah blah.....

Red Herring, KensanIV!

Had I been offered, I would have gladly have accepted an appt.  Frankly, my grades nor was my HS behavior all that wonderful. I did manage to get a scholarship that paid my tuition and books, I hate to tell you this, but it was $185.00 per semester and we were on a trimester basis.  I as a day student.

That's another red herring, KensanIV! What you say you would gladly done won't change the fact that Ben Carson lied about his getting a scholarship to attend the US Military Academy at West Point.

I doubt seriously that he told such a lie as to refusing a West Point scholarship.

No, KensanIV; you're confused again: He told a lie about receiving one. Remember?


Those are not offered without application and some genuine desire.

There's no record of Ben Carson ever applying to the United States Military Academy, KensanIV

I would suspect he is telling the truth.

No, KensanIV; you're refusing to face reality. Ben Carson has admitted he lied about the West Point scholarship. He's admitted he's a liar.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 07, 15, 03:02:39:PM
upyrwazzoo: HE HAD A VERY GOOD ROTC RECORD AND IT IS MORE LIKELY THAN NOT THAT AS A MINORITY WITH GREAT GRADES HE WOULD HAVE BEEN "SCOUTED" FOR THE ACADEMY!


That's the issue here, upyrwazzoo. Evidently, nobody "scouted" Carson.






FACT IS YOU LIBERALS ASSHOLES NOBODY PAYS TO GO TO WEST POINT OR ANY OTHER SERVICE ACADEMY SO IF HE WAS OFFERED A CHANCE TO GO THERE FREE IT WOULD BE NORMAL FOR A NON[-] MILITARY PERSON TO REFER TO THAT AS A SCHOLARSHIP[.]


upyrwazzo,


The fact you're conveniently ignoring is that Carson was never offered a scholarship because the United States Military Academy does not offer scholarships, a fact that both knowledgeable military and non-military persons know.




YOU FUCKS ON THE LEFT MUST BE VERY SCARED OF CARSON TO HAVE TO REACH FOR SUCH STUPIDITY AS THIS TO TRY AND TAKE HIM DOWN[.]


You clowns on the right must be really desperate to defend Ben Carson who has admitted the who thing about his West Point scholarship was a fabrication--a bald-faced lie.

The stupid conservative Ben Carson brought himself down when he got caught lying about a West Point scholarship. And you and your fellow conservatives are showing us how stupid you are for defending someone who's admitted that he was lying.


HAHA

LOL


HOW ABOUT THE xxxx!! HILLARY AND HER BEING UNDER SNIPER FIRE NOW THERE IS A FLAT OUT LIE!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 07, 15, 03:09:39:PM
WWV10MHZ: A conversation from 1969? Who would remember something like that with a high degree of accuracy?

Yeah, WWV10MHZ. How could any "normal person" expect a "Negro" to remember anything at all? Right?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 07, 15, 03:21:01:PM
chuck_curtis: It was suggested to him, by a General, that if he applied, he would likely be offered a full scholarship.

chuck_curtis,

There's evidence that proves Gen. William Westmoreland was in Washington, DC, on the day the liar Dr. Ben Carson claims they were together in Detroit.
 


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: D2D on 11 07, 15, 03:21:18:PM
Dr. Ben Carson came under attack after a Politico story blasted out (http://www.ijreview.com/2015/11/464986-ben-carson-campaign-blasts-outright-lie-politico-story-about-west-point-background/) that his campaign admitted to “fabricating” a story about being offered a “full scholarship” to West Point.
The news and politics website has since walked back (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598) its headline and its story about the Republican presidential candidate.

Ben Carson just went after the media for its different treatment of himself and Barack Obama during their respective political campaigns:

“I do not remember this level of scrutiny for one president Barack Obama when he was running. In fact, I remember just the opposite.”

The black conservative has also been recently characterized as “crazy (http://www.mediaite.com/online/ben-carson-should-produce-his-long-form-stabbing-certificate/)” in several news media outlets.
A recent Fox News national poll shows (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/04/carson-other-gop-candidates-top-clinton-in-latest-national-poll/) Ben Carson ahead of Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton 50-40 in a potential head-to-head matchup in a presidential election.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/11/465399-ben-carson-just-torches-media-with-scathing-indictment-of-his-treatment-versus-that-of-obama/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=owned&utm_campaign=morning-newsletter (http://www.ijreview.com/2015/11/465399-ben-carson-just-torches-media-with-scathing-indictment-of-his-treatment-versus-that-of-obama/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=owned&utm_campaign=morning-newsletter)


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 07, 15, 03:42:05:PM
D2D: The news and politics website has since walked back (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598) its headline and its story about the Republican presidential candidate.

GOP candidate Ben Carson backs off West Point claim

<time class="time" itemprop="uploadDate" datetime="2015-11-06T19:04:00+00:00">November 6, 2015, 7:04 PM</time>
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Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson is under fire Friday after it was revealed he was not offered a full scholarship to West Point Military Academy as he claimed in his memoir.





http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/gop-candidate-ben-carson-backs-off-west-point-claim/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/gop-candidate-ben-carson-backs-off-west-point-claim/)


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: caserio1 on 11 07, 15, 03:46:07:PM
there'll be a lot more backtracking when hill gets them in her sights


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: D2D on 11 07, 15, 03:46:16:PM
Dr. Ben Carson came under attack after a Politico story blasted out (http://www.ijreview.com/2015/11/464986-ben-carson-campaign-blasts-outright-lie-politico-story-about-west-point-background/) that his campaign admitted to “fabricating” a story about being offered a “full scholarship” to West Point.
The news and politics website has since walked back (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598) its headline and its story about the Republican presidential candidate.

Ben Carson just went after the media for its different treatment of himself and Barack Obama during their respective political campaigns:

“I do not remember this level of scrutiny for one president Barack Obama when he was running. In fact, I remember just the opposite.”

The black conservative has also been recently characterized as “crazy (http://www.mediaite.com/online/ben-carson-should-produce-his-long-form-stabbing-certificate/)” in several news media outlets.
A recent Fox News national poll shows (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/04/carson-other-gop-candidates-top-clinton-in-latest-national-poll/) Ben Carson ahead of Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton 50-40 in a potential head-to-head matchup in a presidential election.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/11/465399-ben-carson-just-torches-media-with-scathing-indictment-of-his-treatment-versus-that-of-obama/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=owned&utm_campaign=morning-newsletter (http://www.ijreview.com/2015/11/465399-ben-carson-just-torches-media-with-scathing-indictment-of-his-treatment-versus-that-of-obama/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=owned&utm_campaign=morning-newsletter)


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 07, 15, 03:55:41:PM
D2D, your adamant defense of Uncle Ben comes as no surprise to me. Truth is, you both share the same fault: you're both pathological liars.

LOL


Ben Carson has been caught in a lie so huge his campaign can't even spin it, instead having to just admit that yes, it's an outright lie (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598)

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/11/ben-carson-caught-big-lie-about-west-point (http://crooksandliars.com/2015/11/ben-carson-caught-big-lie-about-west-point)

HAHAHA


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: KensanIV on 11 07, 15, 05:11:42:PM
Hawks,  You need to re-read my post.  I NEVER SAID that a West Point could offer or even an branch of the Army could offer an appointment TO WEST POINT. ONE MUST BE APPOINTMENT BY A CONGRESSIONAL REP.

INFACT, I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO TELL THE PROPER PROCEDURE TO GET TO A MILITARY ACADEMY.  By congressional appointment.

Hawks,  Who really GIVES A F**K,  if IT IS A READ HERRING TO YOU?  Your whole life is a red herring to life.

In fact YOU ARE A RACIST!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: D2D on 11 07, 15, 05:48:34:PM
There goes 1965hawks with his racist "Uncle Ben" comment!

The bigotry never ends with him!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: sine-qua-non on 11 07, 15, 10:30:08:PM
From my reading of both sides in this case, the only thing that was wrong about Carson's recollection of events was that he thought the banquet with General Westmoreland was on Memorial Day, when in fact it was three months earlier in February. That is a very minor point and anyone can confuse events that happened decades in the past. He simply conflated the banquet with the parade, both of which were probably pretty big deals for a 17-year old kid in the ROTC.


Oops. You don't have to be a neurosurgeon to understand that.

Politico has already retracted their original hit job on Carson.


Ben, in his book "Gifted Hands" mistakenly called a West Point Appointment a scholarship. He indeed met with Westmoreland in 69' and was told that, 'based on his academic grades and ROTC achievements, he would have no problem securing an appointment to the Academy. Carson returned home and decided to pursue a medical career. There is no there, there. This is a GOP establishment 'hit job' that has failed like Jeb's campaign.




Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: upyrwazoo on 11 07, 15, 11:03:23:PM
WELL IF THE LEFT ARE SO WORRIED ABOUT LIES HILLARY'S SNIPER FIRE LIE SHOULD MAKE HER INELIGIBLE RIGHT?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: jst-the-fax on 11 07, 15, 11:17:26:PM
Looking at whom is more accomplished...and Mrs Clinton couldn't carry bedpans for Dr. Carson...can she wvit/hawk?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Dan on 11 08, 15, 03:07:48:AM
Politico shows once again why the lib media can't be trusted.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: DaBoz on 11 08, 15, 05:29:21:AM
wvit will believe this story into the future and repeat it numerous times, Guaranteed,, retraction by politico or not.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 08, 15, 06:49:25:AM
According to Politico, Carson said in his 1992 memoir Gifted Hands that he was offered a “full scholarship” to West Point after dining with General William Westmoreland in 1969. Here’s the relevant passage from Carson’s autobiography:

At the end of my twelfth grade I marched at the head of the Memorial Day parade. I felt so proud, my chest bursting with ribbons and braids of every kind. To make it more wonderful, We had important visitors that day. Two soldiers who had won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Viet Nam were present. More exciting to me, General William Westmoreland (very prominent in the Viet Nam war) attended with an impressive entourage. Afterward, Sgt. Hunt introduced me to General Westmoreland, and I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners. Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point. I didn’t refuse the scholarship outright, but I let them know that a military career wasn’t where I saw myself going.

That’s the entire relevant portion of Carson’s account. He reiterated that account last month in an interview with Charlie Rose, when he said, “I was offered a full scholarship at West Point, got to meet General Westmoreland and go to Congressional Medal of Honor dinners. But decided really my pathway would be medicine.”

Politico followed up on this story. They reported one additional piece of information that seems to conflict with Carson’s story: Carson never applied to West Point, and was never extended admission.

But Carson never said he applied. He said he was extended a full scholarship offer. What’s more, West Point doesn’t offer scholarships: all admission is free contingent on serving in the military afterwards. It thus seems probable that Westmoreland or another military figure tried to recruit Carson, telling him that he wouldn’t have to pay for his education – and that Carson read that as a “full scholarship,” and never applied.
In fact, that’s exactly what Carson’s campaign manager said to Politico in an email:

Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit. In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer. He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors. They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission.

But here’s how Politico editorialized: “When presented with this evidence, Carson’s campaign conceded the story was false.”


That’s nonsense. They did no such thing. They provided details that corroborated Carson’s story and explained his loose use of the language. If someone told you that you could go to college for free, you might reasonably conclude that you had been offered a full scholarship to attend that university. But Politico would call you a liar if you used such language to describe the exchange.

Carson served in ROTC. Prominent people wanted him to go to West Point. He wouldn’t have had to pay. He didn’t apply because he didn’t want to go. Those facts are not in dispute. It’s the specific wording over which media have decided to crucify him.
 

This is a textbook example of a left-wing media hit. Politico would never editorialize about any Democrat who issued such a response to a factual inquiry in this manner. Politico won’t even conclude that Hillary Clinton lied about her attribution of the Benghazi attacks to a YouTube video despite email evidence that she knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack entirely unrelated to a YouTube video.
 

But for Ben Carson, they’ll make an exception.

Vile.

UPDATE: Dave Weigel of The Washington Post rightly points out this from Carson's Facebook page circa August:
 


I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point. But I knew medicine is what I wanted to do. So I applied to only one school. (it was all the money I had). I applied to Yale and thank God they accepted me. I often wonder what might have happened had they said no.

 

Weigel also points out that Carson said as much in his book -- the same book Politico quoted to pretend that Carson lied:



http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro (http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro)

So Politico lied again -- Carson never even claimed to have applied to West Point.




Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 08, 15, 06:53:42:AM
UPDATE IV: Politico has now gutted its original piece, scrubbed the original title, removed the claims cited in this article as false.

Furthermore, Politico did not establish that he did not receive a "full scholarship" offer from West Point -- informally, he did receive such an offer, and in colloquial terms as well as West Point marketing materials, free tuition constitutes a scholarship. As for the notion that Carson implied he had applied to West Point, this is blatantly false -- he says in both his own book as well as on Facebook, and has for years, that he applied only to Yale.
 

Meanwhile, the media continue to ignore Hillary Clinton's bizarre claims about attempting to join the Marines, join NASA, and her absolute lies about running from sniper in Bosnia. Read more about the media's strange unwillingness to investigate Hillary's claims here (http://www.dailywire.com/news/967/flashback-hillary-said-she-tried-join-marines-ben-shapiro).


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: DaBoz on 11 08, 15, 12:50:35:PM
I see wvit posted, and decided not to address the crap he swallows as truth.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: KensanIV on 11 08, 15, 12:56:30:PM
Perhaps we need a refresher course in what the word OFFERED MEANS.

present or proffer (something) for (someone) to accept or reject as so desired.


"may I offer you a drink?"


synonyms:
put forward,
proffer (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1120&bih=609&q=define+proffer&sa=X&ved=0CB4Q_SowAGoVChMI0tPwmrGByQIVyusmCh0N_Abi),
provide (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1120&bih=609&q=define+provide&sa=X&ved=0CB8Q_SowAGoVChMI0tPwmrGByQIVyusmCh0N_Abi),
give (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1120&bih=609&q=define+give&sa=X&ved=0CCAQ_SowAGoVChMI0tPwmrGByQIVyusmCh0N_Abi),
present (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1120&bih=609&q=define+present&sa=X&ved=0CCEQ_SowAGoVChMI0tPwmrGByQIVyusmCh0N_Abi),
come up with, *
suggest (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1120&bih=609&q=define+suggest&sa=X&ved=0CCIQ_SowAGoVChMI0tPwmrGByQIVyusmCh0N_Abi),
extend (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1120&bih=609&q=define+extend&sa=X&ved=0CCMQ_SowAGoVChMI0tPwmrGByQIVyusmCh0N_Abi),
recommend (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1120&bih=609&q=define+recommend&sa=X&ved=0CCQQ_SowAGoVChMI0tPwmrGByQIVyusmCh0N_Abi),
propose (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1120&bih=609&q=define+propose&sa=X&ved=0CCUQ_SowAGoVChMI0tPwmrGByQIVyusmCh0N_Abi),
advance (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1120&bih=609&q=define+advance&sa=X&ved=0CCYQ_SowAGoVChMI0tPwmrGByQIVyusmCh0N_Abi),
submit (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1120&bih=609&q=define+submit&sa=X&ved=0CCcQ_SowAGoVChMI0tPwmrGByQIVyusmCh0N_Abi),
tender (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1120&bih=609&q=define+tender&sa=X&ved=0CCgQ_SowAGoVChMI0tPwmrGByQIVyusmCh0N_Abi),
render (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1120&bih=609&q=define+render&sa=X&ved=0CCkQ_SowAGoVChMI0tPwmrGByQIVyusmCh0N_Abi)





*It should be apparent that Carson was correct in using the word offered...especially when some of the meanings contain suggest, recommend, propose as correctly remembered it.





Liberals are getting desperate to find something that can cancel out Hillary's lies.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Jw2 on 11 09, 15, 12:39:43:PM
Regardless, Carson appears to have purpously exaggerated to elevate his perceived importance.
 
Be my guest, vote for Ben Carson to be the Republican Presidential Nominee.
 
Go for it.
 
 


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: davik62 on 11 09, 15, 12:52:13:PM
Carson wants Puerto Rico as our 51st state!

http://news.yahoo.com/carson-endorses-statehood-puerto-rico-island-rally-201955875.html


Does he have ANY idea how much it would cost to bring Puerto Rico in as a state?
The states is an economic disaster!

http://news.yahoo.com/economic-woes-fuel-puerto-rican-exodus-us-115003502.html;_ylt=AwrXgSIG3UBWb0sA3UjQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTByc3RzMXFjBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwM0BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: jst-the-fax on 11 09, 15, 01:41:19:PM
Yup...been run by democrats...so it is expected to be an economic mess


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Dan on 11 09, 15, 06:21:24:PM
Quote
Regardless, Carson appears to have purpously exaggerated

How do you figure that?  It is Politico which has exaggerated as to what Carson said.  Carson didn't make those claims.  Politico falsely said he did.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 09, 15, 06:56:39:PM
HOW ABOUT THE xxxx!! HILLARY AND HER BEING UNDER SNIPER FIRE NOW THERE IS A FLAT OUT LIE!

____upyrwazoo, reply #56

There goes 1965hawks with his racist "Uncle Ben" comment.
___D2D, reply #65

D2D, why didn't you condemn upyrwazoo's referring to Hillary Clinton a "xxxx!!?" Why are  you and jivin' jim afraid to confront our forum's foul-mouthed right-wingers? What hypocrisy!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 09, 15, 07:06:34:PM
sine-qua-non: Politico has already retracted their original hit job on Carson.


sine-qua-non,


Doubts about the veracity of stories Republican presidential frontrunner Ben Carson has told about his life multiplied on Friday when his campaign admitted he had made up a tale about being offered a full scholarship to the prestigious West Point military academy. The Carson campaign was confronted with records from West Point showing that he had never sought admission nor been admitted to the academy, reported Politico. “Dr Carson did not seek admission,” his campaign manager admitted in response. A West Point admissions officer told Politico the academy had no records of a Carson application.


http://finance.yahoo.com/video/ben-carson-campaign-admits-story-133352745.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/video/ben-carson-campaign-admits-story-133352745.html)


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: seahooker on 11 09, 15, 07:09:43:PM
xxxx!! is described as "an unpleasant or stupid person" in the Compact Oxford English Dictionary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Oxford_English_Dictionary_of_Current_English), whereas Merriam-Webster (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merriam-Webster) has a usage of the term as "usually disparaging and obscene: woman",[4 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/xxxx!!#cite_note-4)


dictionary description of Hillary!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: sine-qua-non on 11 09, 15, 07:11:03:PM
Carson didn't make those claims.  Politico falsely said he did.


Leftist socialist lies die hard! (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/rolleyes.gif)


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: D2D on 11 10, 15, 01:16:38:AM
Democrat desperation is obvious for all to see!

Cannot find a legitimate problem with a candidate?

Just make one up be it traffic tickets, West point appointments, or credit card records!

Democrats are very desperate!

Seems they have no faith in Hillary!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 12, 15, 07:41:01:PM
seahooker: xxxx!! is described as "an unpleasant or stupid person" in the Compact Oxford English Dictionary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Oxford_English_Dictionary_of_Current_English), whereas Merriam-Webster (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merriam-Webster) has a usage of the term as "usually disparaging and obscene: woman",[4 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/xxxx!!#cite_note-4)




seehooker,

The New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, edited by Leslie Brown, published by Clarendon Press, Oxford (1993), defines xxxx!! as a very unpleasant or stupid person.

But neither you nor I believe that's the definition upyrwazoo had in mine when referring to Hillary Clinton as a "xxxx!!." The definition you provided above will attest to that.


The New Oxford American Dictionary, Volume 1 (A-M), edited by Elizabeth J. Jewell and Frank Abato, published by Oxford University Press (2001), defines xxxx!! as 1. vulgar slang  and 2. a derogatory term for a woman.





xxxx!!: the female pupendae--usu. considered obscene. 2. a woman--usu. used disparagingly; usu. considered obscene.
Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Tenth Edition, Merriam-Webster, Incorporated, Springfield, Massachusetts, USA (1993).

D2D, why didn't you condemn upyrwazoo's referring to Hillary Clinton a "xxxx!!?" Why are  you and jivin' jim afraid to confront our forum's foul-mouthed right-wingers? What hypocrisy!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Byteryder on 11 12, 15, 07:42:37:PM
Because it's the TRUTH?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: a777pilot on 11 12, 15, 07:45:55:PM
...and hillary tried to become a Marine.  Ya, right, just another one of her lies.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Jim on 11 12, 15, 07:47:35:PM
Carson lied about West Point acceptance
 
OOPS, looks like he didn't.  The Lie was in the way the Left misinterpreted it.  And hey, How 'bout those Lies from Hillary Clintonian.
Or are Hillarys Lies concerning National Security and the Murder of our Ambassador not important? 


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Dan on 11 12, 15, 07:58:58:PM
Quote
Regardless, Carson appears to have purpously exaggerated to elevate his perceived importance.

Nope.  Carson was entirely accurate in what he said.  it was Politico who exaggerated.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 14, 15, 11:22:11:AM
1965haws: D2D, why didn't you condemn upyrwazoo's referring to Hillary Clinton a "xxxx!!?" Why are  you and jivin' jim afraid to confront our forum's foul-mouthed right-wingers? What hypocrisy!

Btyeryder: Because it's the TRUTH?

Truth is, upyrwazoo used the obscene and derogatory term when referring to Hilary Clinton. But of course, our forum's sanctimonious (and hypocritical) right-wingers, who are always quick to condemn the forum's progressive discussants for their lack of civility, failed to denounce the use of a derogatory term to describe Hilary Clinton by one of their own. On the contrary, they even attempted to defend its use! And, in addition to that, our forum's so-called moderator didn't censure upyrwazoo for his using an offensive term that's been roundly condemned as an obscene and disparaging description of a woman. But that should come as no surprise: our forum's "moderator" has a long and well-documented history of pandering to our forum's right-wingers. After all, our forum's so-called moderator is, in reality, a staunch (and biased) right-winger, not the disinterested observer a moderator is supposed to be.   


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: scott_free on 11 14, 15, 11:29:45:AM
You apply to West Point by requesting and completing a PreCandidate Questionnaire and by obtaining a nomination, normally from a United States Congressman or a Senator. Fill out the reply card on the back cover of this brochure to obtain a Prospectus and a PreCandidate Questionnaire. A candidate file will be started after you return the PreCandidate Questionnaire, preferably in the spring of your junior year of high school.

What happens after I fill out the Candidate Questionnaire?
Your Candidate Questionnaire will be evaluated by the Admissions Office to determine whether or not you will be competitive for admission. If you are a competitive candidate, you will receive additional forms to complete. Fill out those forms as quickly as possible. The Admissions Committee will only evaluate your application file when every requirement has been completed.

When should I apply for a nomination?
a:  You should apply for a nomination at the same time you open a candidate file at West Point, preferably during the spring of your junior year. Write a letter to your congressional representative and request a nomination. Members of Congress determine their own application deadlines, so apply early. A candidate cannot be offered admission without a nomination.

http://www.usma.edu/admissions/sitepages/faq_admission.aspx

Even Carson admits he is a lying loon, now. 

Ben Carson’s campaign has admitted that he never applied to West Point, despite his claim in his autobiography that he got a full scholarship to the military academy, MSNBC has confirmed.

A spokesperson at West Point initially told Politico, which first reported the story, that the school had no record of Carson applying, let alone gaining acceptance.

On Friday, after the story surfaced, Carson told The New York Times that he doesn’t “remember all the specific details,” adding “Because I had done so extraordinarily well you know I was told that someone like me — they could get a scholarship to West Point. But I made it clear I was going to pursue a career in medicine.” He insisted the back and forth with the school was “an informal ‘with a record like yours we could easily get you a scholarship to West Point.‘?“

Theresa Brinkerhoff, a spokeswoman at West Point had said the academy had no records that Carson began the application process and that “If he chose to pursue (the application process) then we would have records indicating such.” It appears possible, however, that if Carson were nominated for admission but chose not to apply, records of that would not have been kept, according to a statement sent to NBC News by West Point.

Campaign manager Barry Bennett said that Carson was introduced to people at the school who told him they could get him an initial appointment because of his ROTC record, and while he “considered it but in the end did not seek admission.”

However, in his book, “Gifted Hands,” Carson wrote that he received a full scholarship to the military academy after meeting with Gen. William Westmoreland for dinner in 1969. At the time of the meeting, Carson was in high school in Detroit and a member of ROTC.

Bennett said, “I would argue strongly that an appointment is indeed an amazing full scholarship. Having ran several congressional offices, I am very familiar with the nomination process.” Bennett added that Carson and Westmoreland did meet but Carson ”can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer.”

Up until this point, Carson has maintained he had been accepted into the school. Back in August, he responded to a questioner on Facebook who wanted to know if it was true that he was offered a slot at West Point after high school. Carson responded, “…that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point. But I knew medicine is what I wanted to do. So I applied to only one school. (it was all the money I had). I applied to Yale and thank God they accepted me. I often wonder what might have happened had they said no.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/carson-admits-lying-about-west-point-scholarship

Yeppers, right wing boys.  Loony tune Carson lied, big time.  And you silly little boys fell for it, and are still falling for it!!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 14, 15, 11:31:21:AM
Dan: Carson was entirely accurate in what he said[;] it was Politico who exaggerated.

No, Dan. Carson is a liar and so are you.

Ben Carson’s campaign on Friday admitted that he did not tell the truth about applying for and accepting a scholarship to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/ben_carson_lied_about_west_point_scholarship_20151106 (http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/ben_carson_lied_about_west_point_scholarship_20151106)


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: KensanIV on 11 14, 15, 01:21:49:PM
 Hawks,  Are you concerned that someone has told an innocent lie to make themselves look better could become the POTUS?

Is this why you are posting these worthless accusations against an honorable man?


Assuming you are genuine... HOW IN THE HELL CAN YOU SUPPORT HILLARY? 

I suspect that you should stay out of the voting booth next November... you obviously are in need of therapy for your racist attitude.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 14, 15, 02:04:17:PM
KensanIVHawks, are you concerned that someone has told an innocent lie to blah blah blah blah....

KensanIV, how many more "innocent lies" should Carson be allowed to tell?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/10/1430553/-Baltimore-police-Carson-is-a-liar (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/10/1430553/-Baltimore-police-Carson-is-a-liar)

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ben-carson-violent-childhood-called-question-article-1.2425591 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ben-carson-violent-childhood-called-question-article-1.2425591)

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2015/11/02/even-the-national-review-says-carson-lied-about-mannatech/ (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2015/11/02/even-the-national-review-says-carson-lied-about-mannatech/)


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: KensanIV on 11 14, 15, 11:52:29:PM
Hawks, Please read it again... and attempt to understand it. 

Q.   Hawks,  Are you concerned that someone has told an innocent lie to make themselves look better could become the POTUS?

 A.  If he is guilty of a major lie that may or may not impact our country or our military forces... Let us PLEASE MAKE IT KNOWN.

 Q.  Is this why you are posting these worthless accusations against an honorable man?

 A.  Assuming each and ever word was true.. Just how can this be a problem comparing him to the female Democratic candidate? 

  Q.  Being honest with the guy in the mirror....and  Assuming you are genuine... HOW IN THE HELL CAN YOU SUPPORT HILLARY? 

I suspect that you should stay out of the voting booth next November... you obviously are in need of therapy for your racist attitude.
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Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Jim on 11 14, 15, 11:55:03:PM
Carson lied about West Point acceptance
 
OOPS!   And yet he still didn't!
 


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: upyrwazoo on 11 15, 15, 12:59:30:AM
D2D, why didn't you condemn upyrwazoo's referring to Hillary Clinton a "xxxx!!?" Why are  you and jivin' jim afraid to confront our forum's foul-mouthed right-wingers? What hypocrisy!

BECAUSE BILL MAHRE MADE IT SOP TO REFER TO FEMALE POLITICIANS THAT WAY WHEN HE CALLED PALIN A xxxx!! ON THE AIR AND NO ONE ON THE LEFT CALLED HIM OUT! SO MUCH FOR THE RIGHTS WAR ON WOMEN!

BESIDES IN HILLARY'S CASE IT IS APPROPRIATE AS IT STANDS FOR CAN'T UNDERSTAND NORMAL THINKING

AND AS FAR AS THE RIGHT BEING "FOWL MOUTHED WE LEARNED THAT FROM YOU WE HAD TO THINK IT WAS THE ONLY WAY WE COULD COMMUNICATE WITH SUCH LOW CLASS IGNORANT SUCKS! AND YES FOWL IS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL CHICKENSHIT BASTARDS!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Dan on 11 15, 15, 03:31:13:AM
Hawk,

Carson never claimed he was accepted to West Point.  He never said he applied.  Please stop spreading the politico lie.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: scott_free on 11 15, 15, 05:45:39:AM
You are the one lying, Dan.  Along with the loony Ben Carson...here ya go, for the 3rd or 4th time.

You apply to West Point by requesting and completing a PreCandidate Questionnaire and by obtaining a nomination, normally from a United States Congressman or a Senator. Fill out the reply card on the back cover of this brochure to obtain a Prospectus and a PreCandidate Questionnaire. A candidate file will be started after you return the PreCandidate Questionnaire, preferably in the spring of your junior year of high school.

What happens after I fill out the Candidate Questionnaire?
Your Candidate Questionnaire will be evaluated by the Admissions Office to determine whether or not you will be competitive for admission. If you are a competitive candidate, you will receive additional forms to complete. Fill out those forms as quickly as possible. The Admissions Committee will only evaluate your application file when every requirement has been completed.

When should I apply for a nomination?
a:  You should apply for a nomination at the same time you open a candidate file at West Point, preferably during the spring of your junior year. Write a letter to your congressional representative and request a nomination. Members of Congress determine their own application deadlines, so apply early. A candidate cannot be offered admission without a nomination.

http://www.usma.edu/admissions/sitepages/faq_admission.aspx (http://www.usma.edu/admissions/sitepages/faq_admission.aspx)

Even Carson admits he is a lying loon, now. 

Ben Carson’s campaign has admitted that he never applied to West Point, despite his claim in his autobiography that he got a full scholarship to the military academy, MSNBC has confirmed.

A spokesperson at West Point initially told Politico, which first reported the story, that the school had no record of Carson applying, let alone gaining acceptance.

On Friday, after the story surfaced, Carson told The New York Times that he doesn’t “remember all the specific details,” adding “Because I had done so extraordinarily well you know I was told that someone like me — they could get a scholarship to West Point. But I made it clear I was going to pursue a career in medicine.” He insisted the back and forth with the school was “an informal ‘with a record like yours we could easily get you a scholarship to West Point.“

Theresa Brinkerhoff, a spokeswoman at West Point had said the academy had no records that Carson began the application process and that “If he chose to pursue (the application process) then we would have records indicating such.”

Campaign manager Barry Bennett said that Carson was introduced to people at the school who told him they could get him an initial appointment because of his ROTC record, and while he “considered it but in the end did not seek admission.”

However, in his book, “Gifted Hands,” Carson wrote that he received a full scholarship to the military academy after meeting with Gen. William Westmoreland for dinner in 1969. At the time of the meeting, Carson was in high school in Detroit and a member of ROTC.

Up until this point, Carson has maintained he had been accepted into the school. Back in August, he responded to a questioner on Facebook who wanted to know if it was true that he was offered a slot at West Point after high school. Carson responded, “…that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point. But I knew medicine is what I wanted to do. So I applied to only one school. (it was all the money I had). I applied to Yale and thank God they accepted me. I often wonder what might have happened had they said no.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/carson-admits-lying-about-west-point-scholarship (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/carson-admits-lying-about-west-point-scholarship)

Yeppers, right wing boys.  Loony tune Carson lied, big time.  And you silly little boys fell for it, and are still falling for it!!  West Point does not OFFER anything.  He lied.  Period. 


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 15, 15, 06:39:36:AM
According to Politico, Carson said in his 1992 memoir Gifted Hands that he was offered a “full scholarship” to West Point after dining with General William Westmoreland in 1969. Here’s the relevant passage from Carson’s autobiography:

At the end of my twelfth grade I marched at the head of the Memorial Day parade. I felt so proud, my chest bursting with ribbons and braids of every kind. To make it more wonderful, We had important visitors that day. Two soldiers who had won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Viet Nam were present. More exciting to me, General William Westmoreland (very prominent in the Viet Nam war) attended with an impressive entourage. Afterward, Sgt. Hunt introduced me to General Westmoreland, and I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners. Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point. I didn’t refuse the scholarship outright, but I let them know that a military career wasn’t where I saw myself going.

That’s the entire relevant portion of Carson’s account. He reiterated that account last month in an interview with Charlie Rose, when he said, “I was offered a full scholarship at West Point, got to meet General Westmoreland and go to Congressional Medal of Honor dinners. But decided really my pathway would be medicine.”

Politico followed up on this story. They reported one additional piece of information that seems to conflict with Carson’s story: Carson never applied to West Point, and was never extended admission.

But Carson never said he applied. He said he was extended a full scholarship offer. What’s more, West Point doesn’t offer scholarships: all admission is free contingent on serving in the military afterwards. It thus seems probable that Westmoreland or another military figure tried to recruit Carson, telling him that he wouldn’t have to pay for his education – and that Carson read that as a “full scholarship,” and never applied.
In fact, that’s exactly what Carson’s campaign manager said to Politico in an email:

Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit. In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer. He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors. They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission.

But here’s how Politico editorialized: “When presented with this evidence, Carson’s campaign conceded the story was false.”


That’s nonsense. They did no such thing. They provided details that corroborated Carson’s story and explained his loose use of the language. If someone told you that you could go to college for free, you might reasonably conclude that you had been offered a full scholarship to attend that university. But Politico would call you a liar if you used such language to describe the exchange.

Carson served in ROTC. Prominent people wanted him to go to West Point. He wouldn’t have had to pay. He didn’t apply because he didn’t want to go. Those facts are not in dispute. It’s the specific wording over which media have decided to crucify him.
 

This is a textbook example of a left-wing media hit. Politico would never editorialize about any Democrat who issued such a response to a factual inquiry in this manner. Politico won’t even conclude that Hillary Clinton lied about her attribution of the Benghazi attacks to a YouTube video despite email evidence that she knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack entirely unrelated to a YouTube video.
 

But for Ben Carson, they’ll make an exception.

Vile.

UPDATE: Dave Weigel of The Washington Post rightly points out this from Carson's Facebook page circa August:
 


I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point. But I knew medicine is what I wanted to do. So I applied to only one school. (it was all the money I had). I applied to Yale and thank God they accepted me. I often wonder what might have happened had they said no.

 

Weigel also points out that Carson said as much in his book -- the same book Politico quoted to pretend that Carson lied:



http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro (http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro)

So Politico lied again -- Carson never even claimed to have applied to West Point.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: scott_free on 11 15, 15, 06:58:00:AM
Thanks for confirming.  He lied.  West Point does not OFFER scholarships.  He said he was OFFERED a scholarship from West Point on more than one occasion.  What part of that can you not understand?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 15, 15, 07:03:01:AM
 If someone told you that you could go to college for free, you might reasonably conclude that you had been offered a full scholarship to attend that university. But Politico would call you a liar if you used such language to describe the exchange.

Carson served in ROTC. Prominent people wanted him to go to West Point. He wouldn’t have had to pay. He didn’t apply because he didn’t want to go. Those facts are not in dispute. It’s the specific wording over which media have decided to crucify him.
 

This is a textbook example of a left-wing media hit. Politico would never editorialize about any Democrat who issued such a response to a factual inquiry in this manner. Politico won’t even conclude that Hillary Clinton lied about her attribution of the Benghazi attacks to a YouTube video despite email evidence that she knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack entirely unrelated to a YouTube video.
 

But for Ben Carson, they’ll make an exception.

Vile.

UPDATE: Dave Weigel of The Washington Post rightly points out this from Carson's Facebook page circa August:
 


I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point. But I knew medicine is what I wanted to do. So I applied to only one school. (it was all the money I had). I applied to Yale and thank God they accepted me. I often wonder what might have happened had they said no.

 

Weigel also points out that Carson said as much in his book -- the same book Politico quoted to pretend that Carson lied:



http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro (http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro)

So Politico lied again -- Carson never even claimed to have applied to West Point.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: scott_free on 11 15, 15, 07:09:03:AM
Are you serious? Someone not even connected to the West Point academy saying you could qualify to be accepted at West Point if you can get a congressman or governor to nominate you is the same as saying West Point OFFERED YOU A FULL SCHOLARSHIP?  Do you even see how silly you are?  You right wingers will go to such ridiculous lengths to try and defend the liars you are so obsessed with for partisan reasons.  Carson is a psychopathic liar.  He is a loony tune.  You are as big a liar as he is. 


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Local5th on 11 15, 15, 07:25:12:AM
Sweetwater's explanation is the way I understand the situation.

Keep in mind we are talking about childhood memories of high school, not an adult memories of coming under sniper fire.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 15, 15, 08:32:59:AM
Cadets at West Point do not pay tuition, room or board. They are considered active duty Army with the rank of Cadet and assigned to study at the United States Military Academy. Unless the law changes they are not deployable and they get paid.

College students contract with the Army through ROTC. You are not in the reserve and you are not deployable. Army ROTC scholarships pay tuition for your college education and you also receive a monthly stipend and money for books.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyjoin/a/armymilacademy.htm


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 15, 15, 08:44:38:AM
http://www.collegeview.com/schools/united-states-military-academy-west-point/financialaid (http://www.collegeview.com/schools/united-states-military-academy-west-point/financialaid)

Scholarships - yes

http://www.collegeview.com/schools/united-states-military-academy-west-point/tuition (http://www.collegeview.com/schools/united-states-military-academy-west-point/tuition)


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: scott_free on 11 15, 15, 09:57:40:AM
West Point does not OFFER anything to anyone, dumbass liars. I expect you to agree with sweetwater, local 5th.  You are as big a liar as he is.  Have someone you trust read this to you:

You apply to West Point by requesting and completing a PreCandidate Questionnaire and by obtaining a nomination, normally from a United States Congressman or a Senator. Fill out the reply card on the back cover of this brochure to obtain a Prospectus and a PreCandidate Questionnaire. A candidate file will be started after you return the PreCandidate Questionnaire, preferably in the spring of your junior year of high school.

What happens after I fill out the Candidate Questionnaire?
Your Candidate Questionnaire will be evaluated by the Admissions Office to determine whether or not you will be competitive for admission. If you are a competitive candidate, you will receive additional forms to complete. Fill out those forms as quickly as possible. The Admissions Committee will only evaluate your application file when every requirement has been completed.

When should I apply for a nomination?
a:  You should apply for a nomination at the same time you open a candidate file at West Point, preferably during the spring of your junior year. Write a letter to your congressional representative and request a nomination. Members of Congress determine their own application deadlines, so apply early. A candidate cannot be offered admission without a nomination.

http://www.usma.edu/admissions/sitepages/faq_admission.aspx (http://www.usma.edu/admissions/sitepages/faq_admission.aspx)

Even Carson admits he is a lying loon, now. 

Ben Carson’s campaign has admitted that he never applied to West Point, despite his claim in his autobiography that he got a full scholarship to the military academy, MSNBC has confirmed.

A spokesperson at West Point initially told Politico, which first reported the story, that the school had no record of Carson applying, let alone gaining acceptance.

On Friday, after the story surfaced, Carson told The New York Times that he doesn’t “remember all the specific details,” adding “Because I had done so extraordinarily well you know I was told that someone like me — they could get a scholarship to West Point. But I made it clear I was going to pursue a career in medicine.” He insisted the back and forth with the school was “an informal ‘with a record like yours we could easily get you a scholarship to West Point.“

Theresa Brinkerhoff, a spokeswoman at West Point had said the academy had no records that Carson began the application process and that “If he chose to pursue (the application process) then we would have records indicating such.”

Campaign manager Barry Bennett said that Carson was introduced to people at the school who told him they could get him an initial appointment because of his ROTC record, and while he “considered it but in the end did not seek admission.”

However, in his book, “Gifted Hands,” Carson wrote that he received a full scholarship to the military academy after meeting with Gen. William Westmoreland for dinner in 1969. At the time of the meeting, Carson was in high school in Detroit and a member of ROTC.

Up until this point, Carson has maintained he had been accepted into the school. Back in August, he responded to a questioner on Facebook who wanted to know if it was true that he was offered a slot at West Point after high school. Carson responded, “…that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point. But I knew medicine is what I wanted to do. So I applied to only one school. (it was all the money I had). I applied to Yale and thank God they accepted me. I often wonder what might have happened had they said no.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/carson-admits-lying-about-west-point-scholarship (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/carson-admits-lying-about-west-point-scholarship)

Yeppers, right wing boys.  Loony tune Carson lied, big time.  And you silly little boys fell for it, and are still falling for it!!  West Point does not OFFER anything.  He lied.  Period. 


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 15, 15, 10:40:16:AM
 Army ROTC scholarships pay tuition for your college education and you also receive a monthly stipend and money for books.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyjoin/a/armymilacademy.htm (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyjoin/a/armymilacademy.htm)


http://www.collegeview.com/schools/united-states-military-academy-west-point/financialaid (http://www.collegeview.com/schools/united-states-military-academy-west-point/financialaid)

Scholarships - yes


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Local5th on 11 15, 15, 11:37:28:AM
local 5th.  You are as big a liar as he is.

Clinton did say she came under sniper fire short round. She wasn't talking about her high school days either.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: scott_free on 11 15, 15, 11:53:30:AM
Yes.  Yes, she did.  And that really had a huge effect on life as we know it, dickhead!!  And she admitted it, laughed about it, and moved on.  And what does that have to do with Carson being such a stupid ass delusional liar, boy?

"I did make a mistake in talking about it, you know, the last time and recently," Clinton told reporters in Pennsylvania where she was campaigning before the state's April 22 primary. She said she had a "different memory" about the landing.

"So I made a mistake. That happens. It proves I'm human, which, you know, for some people, is a revelation."


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: scott_free on 11 15, 15, 11:57:12:AM
;b'West Point does not OFFER anything to anyone, dumbass liars.[/b] I expect you to agree with sweetwater, local 5th.  You are as big a liar as he is.  Have someone you trust read this to you:

You apply to West Point by requesting and completing a PreCandidate Questionnaire and by obtaining a nomination, normally from a United States Congressman or a Senator. Fill out the reply card on the back cover of this brochure to obtain a Prospectus and a PreCandidate Questionnaire. A candidate file will be started after you return the PreCandidate Questionnaire, preferably in the spring of your junior year of high school.

What happens after I fill out the Candidate Questionnaire?
Your Candidate Questionnaire will be evaluated by the Admissions Office to determine whether or not you will be competitive for admission. If you are a competitive candidate, you will receive additional forms to complete. Fill out those forms as quickly as possible. The Admissions Committee will only evaluate your application file when every requirement has been completed.

When should I apply for a nomination?
a:  You should apply for a nomination at the same time you open a candidate file at West Point, preferably during the spring of your junior year. Write a letter to your congressional representative and request a nomination. Members of Congress determine their own application deadlines, so apply early. A candidate cannot be offered admission without a nomination.

http://www.usma.edu/admissions/sitepages/faq_admission.aspx

Even Carson admits he is a lying loon, now. 

Ben Carson’s campaign has admitted that he never applied to West Point, despite his claim in his autobiography that he got a full scholarship to the military academy, MSNBC has confirmed.

A spokesperson at West Point initially told Politico, which first reported the story, that the school had no record of Carson applying, let alone gaining acceptance.


On Friday, after the story surfaced, Carson told The New York Times that he doesn’t “remember all the specific details,” adding “Because I had done so extraordinarily well you know I was told that someone like me — they could get a scholarship to West Point. But I made it clear I was going to pursue a career in medicine.” He insisted the back and forth with the school was “an informal ‘with a record like yours we could easily get you a scholarship to West Point.“

Theresa Brinkerhoff, a spokeswoman at West Point had said the academy had no records that Carson began the application process and that “If he chose to pursue (the application process) then we would have records indicating such.”

Campaign manager Barry Bennett said that Carson was introduced to people at the school who told him they could get him an initial appointment because of his ROTC record, and while he “considered it but in the end did not seek admission.”

However, in his book, “Gifted Hands,” Carson wrote that he received a full scholarship to the military academy after meeting with Gen. William Westmoreland for dinner in 1969. At the time of the meeting, Carson was in high school in Detroit and a member of ROTC.

Up until this point, Carson has maintained he had been accepted into the school. Back in August, he responded to a questioner on Facebook who wanted to know if it was true that he was offered a slot at West Point after high school. Carson responded, “…that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point. But I knew medicine is what I wanted to do. So I applied to only one school. (it was all the money I had). I applied to Yale and thank God they accepted me. I often wonder what might have happened had they said no.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/carson-admits-lying-about-west-point-scholarship

Yeppers, right wing boys.  Loony tune Carson lied, big time.  And you silly little boys fell for it, and are still falling for it!!  West Point does not OFFER anything. You have to get a Congressman or Governor to APPLY for you.  He lied.  Period.   
 


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Local5th on 11 15, 15, 12:01:37:PM
Yes.  Yes, she did.  And that really had a huge effect on life as we know it, dickhead!!

Yeah, about as much effect as Carson's west point story.

What makes Carson's perceived lies worst than Hilliary's short round?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: scott_free on 11 15, 15, 12:04:52:PM
Mainly the fact he keeps denying it, stupid.  Did you see where I posted where Clinton admitted her mistake?  Why do you think I did that?  People have "mistaken memories," especially as time goes by.  Sometimes stories you told about what happened to buddies in a bar become the truth in your mind more than what really happened, when it comes to athletics, work or sexual exploits.  But Carson keeps lying.  He is a pathological liar and a loon. 


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 15, 15, 12:08:15:PM
 Army ROTC scholarships pay tuition for your college education and you also receive a monthly stipend and money for books.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyjoin/a/armymilacademy.htm (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyjoin/a/armymilacademy.htm)


http://www.collegeview.com/schools/united-states-military-academy-west-point/financialaid (http://www.collegeview.com/schools/united-states-military-academy-west-point/financialaid)

Scholarships - yes


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Local5th on 11 15, 15, 12:11:03:PM
Mainly the fact he keeps denying it, stupid.

Guess you missed that news report. I believe clarification was provided awhile back.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Dan on 11 15, 15, 12:52:11:PM
Stop lying about me, Scott.  Stop spreading lies about what Carson said.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Dan on 11 15, 15, 12:54:41:PM
Nancy teabagger, did you really think you were fooling anyone by capitalizing your sentences?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 15, 15, 12:57:32:PM
LOL...  (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/hattip.gif)


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: KensanIV on 11 15, 15, 01:28:26:PM
Yikes!!!!  If someone says to you.  "I think you would qualify for a 4 year scholarship to West Point"  Would you consider that an OFFER?  He obviously knew he wished to go into Medicine and medical school... So he did not pursue the OFFFER.  Nonetheless, it has to be an offer or at worst a little white lie when he recalls it years later.

I know and you now know because I told you that one had to be appointed by a Congressional rep to attend West Point several days and several posts ago in this thread.  Perhaps Carson did not even know that at the time.  And could have made an honest mistake.

What Hillary has done is a DELIBERATE LIE to make herself look more important.  Who knows, she may have been on the plane with the CBS anchor Brian whatshisface???  Who lost his job for lying.  Hillary should lose hers also and would if the brain dead liberals really cared about our leaders being honest. 

Why is it Loser, that you make a big deal of Carson's alleged lie and can overlook Hillary's and make excuses for her? 


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: WWV10MHZ on 11 15, 15, 01:36:39:PM
Much ado about nothing.

The Libs/Dems/Fags attacks on Dr. Ben Carson are based strictly on RACISM!!!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: emilyB on 11 15, 15, 02:45:57:PM
Ben Carson certainly has some explaining to do and he probably will attempt to clear things up.  He would not be my choice for candidate, not because I don't respect his talents as a neurosurgeon, but because he is a bit wishy washy and not too versed politically.  Race shouldn't be in the equation.  His revelations of his past don't help him.

Hilary has much more explaining to do regarding her emails, why she would put up with a perverted philanderer in the White House (although I know the answer to that one), the truth about her statement that they were practically bankrupt when leaving the White House, etc. etc.  However don't expect it.  She is already crowned in her mind and the minds of morons!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: D2D on 11 15, 15, 04:12:41:PM
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/editorial-cartoon-unbiased-opinion-from-the-msm/article/2576043?utm_campaign=Washington%20Examiner:%20Editorial%20Cartoons%20PMI&utm_source=Washington%20Examiner:%20Editorial%20Cartoons%20PMI%20-%2011/13/15&utm_medium=email


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: upyrwazoo on 11 15, 15, 05:09:13:PM
Ben Carson’s campaign has admitted that he never applied to West Point, despite his claim in his autobiography that he got a full scholarship to the military academy, MSNBC has confirmed.


HE SAID THAT HE SAID HE WAS OFFERED A SCHOLARSHIP WHICH IS THE WAY SOMEONE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WEST POINT WOULD DESCRIBE IT IF SOMEONE SUGGESTED IT TO HIM AND STATED THAT IT WOULDN'T COST HIM ANYTHING! SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT HILLARY CAN "DIS REMEMBER" BEING UNDER FIRE WHICH IS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN UNDER FIRE SOMETHING YOU WOULD NEVER FORGET, WITH A CONVERSATION YOU HAD IN HIGH SCHOOL ABOUT WHAT COLLEGE YOU MIGHT ATTEND?? DO YOU HAVE ANY FUCKING IDEA HOW BLINDINGLY FUCKING STUPID THAT IS YOU IDIOTIC BORG! MAYBE IF YOU HAD EVER BEEN UNDER FIRE YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND BUT OBVIOUSLY SCUM SUCKERS LIKE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT REAL SACRIFICE IS! WOULD A WOMEN "DISREMEMBER BEING RAPED BECAUSE THAT IS YOUR ASININE PREMISE!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: KensanIV on 11 15, 15, 09:52:04:PM
I hope that all of the conservatives on this board get to be a rich as Hillary and Bill when they were so broke when they left the White House.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: scott_free on 11 16, 15, 05:14:34:AM
I am not sure what emily is even talking about when it comes to Bill Clinton being a perverted philanderer...Does she think having consenseual heterosexual sex or a man getting a blow job from a fairly hot 22 year old willing woman is "perverted?"  and you right wingers try to calm down, have just one moment of clarity before you all die, and see how silly you are to try to say Ben Carson was not lying when he said he West Point offered him a scholarship!!  And still says so!!  West Point NEVER OFFERS ANYBODY A SCHOLARSHIP!!  It does not work that way!!  How can you be so willing to either be so stupid or so dishonest to keep trying to explain away his obvious goofy lie?

You apply to West Point by requesting and completing a PreCandidate Questionnaire and by obtaining a nomination, normally from a United States Congressman or a Senator. Fill out the reply card on the back cover of this brochure to obtain a Prospectus and a PreCandidate Questionnaire. A candidate file will be started after you return the PreCandidate Questionnaire, preferably in the spring of your junior year of high school.

When should I apply for a nomination?
You should apply for a nomination at the same time you open a candidate file at West Point, preferably during the spring of your junior year. Write a letter to your congressional representative and request a nomination. Members of Congress determine their own application deadlines, so apply early. A candidate cannot be offered admission without a nomination.

http://www.usma.edu/admissions/sitepages/faq_admission.aspx (http://www.usma.edu/admissions/sitepages/faq_admission.aspx)

Even Carson admits he is a lying loon, now. 

Ben Carson’s campaign has admitted that he never applied to West Point, despite his claim in his autobiography that he got a full scholarship to the military academy, MSNBC has confirmed.

A spokesperson at West Point initially told Politico, which first reported the story, that the school had no record of Carson applying, let alone gaining acceptance.


On Friday, after the story surfaced, Carson told The New York Times that he doesn’t “remember all the specific details,” adding “Because I had done so extraordinarily well you know I was told that someone like me — they could get a scholarship to West Point. But I made it clear I was going to pursue a career in medicine.” He insisted the back and forth with the school was “an informal ‘with a record like yours we could easily get you a scholarship to West Point.“

Theresa Brinkerhoff, a spokeswoman at West Point had said the academy had no records that Carson began the application process and that “If he chose to pursue (the application process) then we would have records indicating such.”

Campaign manager Barry Bennett said that Carson was introduced to people at the school who told him they could get him an initial appointment because of his ROTC record, and while he “considered it but in the end did not seek admission.”

However, in his book, “Gifted Hands,” Carson wrote that he received a full scholarship to the military academy after meeting with Gen. William Westmoreland for dinner in 1969. At the time of the meeting, Carson was in high school in Detroit and a member of ROTC.

Up until this point, Carson has maintained he had been accepted into the school. Back in August, he responded to a questioner on Facebook who wanted to know if it was true that he was offered a slot at West Point after high school. Carson responded, “…that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point. But I knew medicine is what I wanted to do. So I applied to only one school. (it was all the money I had). I applied to Yale and thank God they accepted me. I often wonder what might have happened had they said no.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/carson-admits-lying-about-west-point-scholarship (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/carson-admits-lying-about-west-point-scholarship)

Yeppers, right wing boys.  Loony tune Carson lied, big time.  And you silly little boys fell for it, and are still falling for it!!  West Point does not OFFER anything. You have to get a Congressman or Governor to APPLY for you.  He lied.  Period.   


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Local5th on 11 16, 15, 07:27:31:AM
 I was told that someone like me — they could get a scholarship to West Point.

If General Westmoreland had told any high schooler that with their credentials they could be accepted to west point I suspect they would consider that an invitation.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 16, 15, 09:26:15:AM
Hooty knows more than the General, LOL...


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: scott_free on 11 16, 15, 09:37:50:AM
He must have been as stupid as you two!!  Why would anyone in ROTC, as he was, and even remotely considering going to West Point not have a clue about the process?  Are you trying to prove how stupid you are and how stupid you think he is?  WEST POINT DOES NOT OFFER ADMISSION TO ANYONE.  PERIOD.  Like all things military, there is a rigid, controlled, process.  Every time. 


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Local5th on 11 16, 15, 09:50:45:AM
 Why would anyone in ROTC, as he was, and even remotely considering going to West Point not have a clue about the process?

Best I can tell he wasn't remotely interested in going to west point. His goal was to become a doctor.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: scott_free on 11 16, 15, 09:58:59:AM
Why was he in ROTC then?  And why did he lie about being offered a "scholarship!!!"   How can you go on defending such a dumbass lie?  Do you see how stupid it makes you?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Local5th on 11 16, 15, 10:04:44:AM
Why was he in ROTC then?

Why not?

And why did he lie about being offered a "scholarship!!!"

He didn't lie. He considered Gen Westmorelands comments an offer, as would most people.

How can you go on defending such a dumbass lie?

I don't defend your lies.






Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: KensanIV on 11 16, 15, 10:24:39:AM
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/ (http://www.mrctv.org/blog/)

I used the Googles and ask if Ben Carson was ever in ROTC.  Yes, he was in High School. 

Lets us discuss some of the good things about Ben Carson.
 
The above tells of some of the things that he has accomplished and some of the awards that he has been awarded for his talent and expertise in medicine.

Liberals seem to have to tear everyone down, especially if they could be a risk to the hag being challenged.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: scott_free on 11 16, 15, 10:27:47:AM
Why was he in ROTC then?

Why not?

And why did he lie about being offered a "scholarship!!!"

He didn't lie. He considered Gen Westmorelands comments an offer, as would most people.



quoting local 5th...



Dumb people would!! You moron. So if an athlete meets Earl Campbell at some UT dinner or luncheon, and Earl Campbell says he heard you had a pretty good record as a running back in whatever high school you attended and you could probably be a running back at UT, would that athlete not be a complete dumbass if he went through life from then on bragging he was offered A FULL ATHLETIC SCHOLARSHIP AT UT BUT HE TURNED IT DOWN BECAUSE OF HIS LOVE FOR GENERAL ACCOUNTING?

And a complete dufus like Kenyan calling Hillary a hag just because she is 5000 times the person he is in every way possible!!  How envious are you, little pigboy?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: KensanIV on 11 16, 15, 10:29:19:AM
Hoosier the Loser, Even under a new name, you are still the biggest ass on the board.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 16, 15, 10:34:50:AM
kensan,  should I  vote for Carson in the upcoming republican primary?  I was going to be voting for Trump but it seems he's shot his wad now and the republican clown show must go on.  Carson looks like he's driving now but Cruz is fighting for the wheel.

who would you recommend I vote for kensan?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: KensanIV on 11 16, 15, 10:45:01:AM
I don't know Wvit, Most idiots seem to be voting for Hillary.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 16, 15, 11:00:17:AM
so you blabber and spout wacky bullshit but you can't bring yourself to offer up any of the republican candidates that are worthy of my vote in the primaries?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 16, 15, 11:01:00:AM
who are you voting for in the primaries kensan?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: Byteryder on 11 16, 15, 11:02:14:AM
Maybe we are all sick and tired of you stirring the pot for the sake of raising a stink ever day.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: WWV10MHZ on 11 16, 15, 11:09:47:AM
He said he never applied.  So, how could he lie about acceptance?

Cadets attend at no cost.  So, how could he lie about a scholarship?

He was told that he could go if he wanted.  He didn't want to go, so what's the issue? ? ? ? ? ?

Much ado about nothing!


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 16, 15, 11:12:52:AM
are you voting for Carson wavy?  how about you byt?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 16, 15, 11:34:24:AM
 Earl Campbell has nothing to do with ROTC or West Point scholarships, hooty.



Army ROTC scholarships pay tuition for your college education and you also receive a monthly stipend and money for books.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyjoin/a/armymilacademy.htm (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyjoin/a/armymilacademy.htm)


http://www.collegeview.com/schools/united-states-military-academy-west-point/financialaid (http://www.collegeview.com/schools/united-states-military-academy-west-point/financialaid)

Scholarships - yes


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: KensanIV on 11 16, 15, 11:53:38:AM
Wvit, Since you care to ask, As a registered R... In the primaries I can only vote for the nominee of the R. party.  By the time it gets to my state, the candidates will have been chosen.  Of course when it comes time to actually vote, I can cross over and vote for the D, should I choose.

Personally I like Rubio... I don't particularly care for JEB,  He a RINO.  This country has seen enough Bush's and Clintons... Trump is okay, but a bit too blustery.  Cruz is an extremely bright dude...But a bit extreme.  Carson is also extremely bright, but not a lot of experience. Carlie is okay, doesn't seem to be afraid to making decisions, Paul is okay...doesn't excite me.  The rest of them might as well go home now.

Whomever wins Iowa, New Hampshire and S. Carolina will be the nominee and probably will get my vote.  Those who have no experience will do well to select a running mate that has some experience at least as a governor in getting a budget, running a state and making decisions.

Tis an interesting time to be a Republican.  As for the Demos, Hillary is used baggage and I don't think she can overcome her past failures and cover-ups.  Bernie is a socialist...and would probably make a perfect left wing candidate for many.  O'Malley wasn't the best governor that Maryland ever had, he was there for the Balto problems.. and did nuttin worthy of notice.

I can't imagine a situation where I would cross over.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 18, 15, 10:53:55:AM
To: Our forum's delusional right-wingers who continue to believe liar Ben Carson.


    Ben Carson Admits He Lied About Inspirational West Point Story   
    
   


The GOP front-runner's autobiography seems to be at least part fiction.

CNN published a story questioning Carson's "inspirational" tales of childhood violence, including a nasty attack on a classmate and charging at his mother with a hammer. Carson's former classmates were unfamiliar with the incidents, reported CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/ben-carson-2016-childhood-violence/). Slightly later, the Carson campaign fessed up that he'd fabricated a story about applying and being accepted into West Point after Politico found no evidence any of that had happened.



http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/ben-carson-admits-he-lied-about-inspirational-west-point-story


 


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 18, 15, 12:27:47:PM
AlterNet lied as did Politico.

Army ROTC scholarships pay tuition for your college education and you also receive a monthly stipend and money for books.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyjoin/a/armymilacademy.htm (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyjoin/a/armymilacademy.htm)


http://www.collegeview.com/schools/united-states-military-academy-west-point/financialaid (http://www.collegeview.com/schools/united-states-military-academy-west-point/financialaid)

Scholarships - yes


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: KensanIV on 11 18, 15, 03:11:40:PM
Hawks, What kind of mind can show outrage or disapproval of a lie (if you want to call it that) by Dr. Ben Carson.  And accept the lies and dishonest behavior of Hillary Clinton?

Your attitude and honest intentions would baffle a school of therapists.

Or perhaps you could explain it.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 20, 15, 11:58:31:AM
sweetwater5s9: AlterNet lied as did Politico  Army ROTC scholarships pay tuition for your blah blah blah blah ....

KensanIV: Hawks, What kind of mind can blah blah blah....

To: sweetwater5s9 and KensanIV

Your ignoring the facts won't make them disappear.

The Republican presidential candidate has noted in his biography that he turned down a full scholarship to the prestigious military academy. On Friday, Carson’s campaign admitted that he was never offered a scholarship.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2015/11/ben_carson_s_campaign_admits_he_lied_about_west_point_scholarship.html


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: D2D on 11 20, 15, 12:40:20:PM
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Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: KensanIV on 11 20, 15, 09:46:09:PM
well Hawks, You really don't wish to count the lies...do you?  But since you insist.

http://www.liberallyconservative.com/hillary-clintons-laundry-list-of-lies/ (http://www.liberallyconservative.com/hillary-clintons-laundry-list-of-lies/)


This may take you the rest of the night...but then, its a pretty fair bet that you will not read them.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 21, 15, 11:59:49:AM
KensanIV: well [sic] Hawks, You really don't wish to count the lies...do you?  But since you blah blah blah blah blah....

KensanIV, your babbling about Hillary Clinton is a red herring. It doesn't change the fact that Ben Carson admits he lied about West Point.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/ben-carson-admits-he-lied-about-inspirational-west-point-story (http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/ben-carson-admits-he-lied-about-inspirational-west-point-story)

It doesn't change the fact that Ben Carson's campaign admits the West Point story is a lie.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2015/11/ben_carson_s_campaign_admits_he_lied_about_west_point_scholarship.html (http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2015/11/ben_carson_s_campaign_admits_he_lied_about_west_point_scholarship.html)

KensanIV, stop wasting your time trying to defend Ben Carson. His West Point story is a BIG LIE.

Republican Ben Carson has conceded that he never connected to join the US military institute at West Point, in spite of suggestions in his book that he had. The presidential expectant wrote in his 1996 personal history, Gifted Hands, that he had been offered a full grant by the prestigious school.

http://www.belvoireagle.com/us-news/ben-carsons-west-point-story-is-a-big-lie-institute-7835.html (http://www.belvoireagle.com/us-news/ben-carsons-west-point-story-is-a-big-lie-institute-7835.html)


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: emilyB on 11 21, 15, 03:10:56:PM
Don't get your feathers all ruffled hawks.  I don't believe anyone who tells blatant lies or tries to pull the wool over anyone's eyes is a good candidate for President, but then that would of course include Hilary Clinton.  Carson has taken a dip in the polls, if you can believe all this speculation, so that should make you happy.

I don't have a problem with anyone owning up to 'misspeaking' in their enthusiasm to get on the ballot. 

If they want to continue in their goals then they need to clear things up and explain.  I'm not holding my breath.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 21, 15, 03:44:22:PM
emilyB: I don't believe anyone who tells blatant lies or tries to pull the wool over anyone's eyes is a good candidate for President, but then that would of course include Hilary Clinton.

emilyB,

Your babbling about Hillary Clinton is a classic Aunt Sally. Your accusing Clinton of being a liar doesn't change the fact that Carson's a liar--a fact that even he and his campaign have conceded. Carson has been exposed as a pathological liar. Accept the truth and live with it.

http://gawker.com/ben-carson-admits-he-lied-about-west-point-scholarship-1741000552 (http://gawker.com/ben-carson-admits-he-lied-about-west-point-scholarship-1741000552)

 


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: emilyB on 11 21, 15, 04:13:18:PM
Get over yourself hawks.  I guess your babble proves you can't comprehend what I said. No proven, known liar is a good candidate for President.  Get it?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 21, 15, 04:29:44:PM
emilyB: Get over yourself hawks.  I guess your babble proves you can't comprehend what I said.

You've presented a classic ad hominem (a personal attack against me), but you still haven't admitted that Ben Carson's West Point story is a lie. Have you emilyB?


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: emilyB on 11 21, 15, 07:28:51:PM
If an 'ad hominem' against you is what you perceive hawks, then enjoy it.  You certainly send out enough of your own, so spare us the indignation.  I believe I used the words, "proven known liar" when referring to the candidates we were discussing.  What more do you want?  Ben or Hilary - both candidates have told a few whoppers, but only one matters in your mind.  I guess we are at an impasse and it doesn't bother me.


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: 1965hawks on 11 23, 15, 01:46:19:PM
emilyB: If an 'ad hominem' against you is what you perceive hawks, then enjoy it.  You certainly send out enough of your own, so spare us the indignation.

Spare me the bullshit, emilyB.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/11/ben-carson-liar-or-does-he-just-not-care (http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/11/ben-carson-liar-or-does-he-just-not-care)


Title: Re: Carson lied about West Point acceptance
Post by: sine-qua-non on 11 23, 15, 01:54:22:PM
69Birdbrain here is so fulla leftist BS

His mini brain can't process reality.