A new PPP Survey reveals that 44 percent of Republicans favor making Christianity the official religion of the United States. While that is not a huge surprise, it becomes more frightening when you realize only 53 percent of Democrats and Republicans combined oppose the idea.That is because 28 percent of Democrats said they favor a Christian theocracy. That number is shockingly high for the liberal US party.

It gets worse, though, because according to the poll, three out of four adults favor eliminating the First Amendment which would destroy the secular government we have now.

The situation, thus, is dire. We no longer have time for niceties. We need to speak out forcibly against faith and expose it for what it is – a delusion deleterious to liberty and the commonwealth.The stakes are high. The faith-deranged support a (largely successful) nationwide campaign to restrict women’s reproductive rights and introduce Religious Freedom Restoration Acts, of which there are now 21 in force, with others on the way.

As a result of decades of Christian propaganda, performing abortions can be life-threatening for doctors. And in times of widespread fiscal austerity, the government loses about $83 billion a year to religious tax exemptions. This should all outrage us and incite us to act


- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2015/10/44-percent-of-republicans-favor-a-christian-theocracy-according-to-a-new-survey/#sthash.qMMq8eMX.dpuf (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2015/10/44-percent-of-republicans-favor-a-christian-theocracy-according-to-a-new-survey/#sthash.qMMq8eMX.dpuf)

You sound a bit paranoid to me wvit.

It isn't paranoid when it's true Komerad Local, unless you can perhaps provide some information that would suggest that what Wvit says is not true.

Vit, Go find it.  Do it now!

I have no church.  My only God is my God.  But, given a choice between a Theocracy and Socialism-- I'll take the Theocracy

Is that the lonly choices byt?  How about we just stick with the representative democracy we've got now?

"A new PPP Survey reveals that 44 percent of Republicans favor making Christianity the official religion of the United States."

Do you mean to tell us that you don't believe that the majority believes in any religion. 

So I guess that you believe that this country has no religious founding nor does it exist in our founding documents? 

A quick tour of history may help you Godless liberals.  Remember who won the Iowa caucuses last election?  I'll let you figure that one out.

Given a choice between Hillary and a Christian... Guess what????

nobody said anything about anyone's  belief in religion having anything to do with this?

First Amendment

The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition.  It forbids Congress from both promoting one religion over others and also restricting an individual’s religious practices.  It guarantees freedom of expression by prohibiting Congress from restricting the press or the rights of individuals to speak freely.  It also guarantees the right of citizens to assemble peaceably and to petition their government.   

Wvit says:   "A new PPP Survey reveals that 44 percent of Republicans favor making Christianity the official religion of the United States. While that is not a huge surprise, it becomes more frightening when you realize only 53 percent of Democrats and Republicans combined oppose the idea. That is because 28 percent of Democrats said they favor a Christian theocracy. That number is shockingly high for the liberal US party."

So Wvit I assume that in your world it means when 44% of Republicans favoring Christianity as the official religions it means that the remainder are against it.

HMMMM?  What happened to those who have NO OPINION? We must think that they agree with your biased view.

How much understanding do liberals really have regarding religion and the belief by the founding fathers who set up this country?

Of course the founding fathers never mentioned it except in most ever document that most of them authored. 

what are you blabbering about kensan?  are you trying to somehow justify your rejection of our Constitution?

Christian Theocracy today and Religious dictatorship TOMORROW!

And you will willingly let them take over, in the name of GOD...

What makes you think that we still have it?

Better than in the Name of Obama, or Hillary, or Sanders

nobody said anything about anyone's  belief in religion having anything to do with this?

Then why does the article say "The situation, thus, is dire. We no longer have time for niceties. We need to speak out forcibly against faith and expose it for what it is – a delusion deleterious to liberty and the commonwealth."

Not to worry wvit. The 1st is as important as the 2nd to most Americans. So it ain't gonna happen.

What's wrong with the rest of the quote local?  Is taking things out of their context the only way for you to argue against them? 

You made a statement your own article disputes. That's all I was addressing.

As for the rest of the quote it eluded to Obama's comment we must change our religious beliefs to support laws of man. That concept crosses the line of separation of church and state and is not worthy of discussion.

People will not always agree with you, or believe as you do wvit. When that happens you need to practice the "inclusion" concept as opposed to condemning them for being different than you.

To: Local5th, Byteryder, KensanIV,  and WWV10MHZ

GOP dreams of Christian theocracy: A majority of Republicans favor establishing Christianity as the national religion according to a disturbing new poll released today by Public Policy Polling (PPP). - See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/02/poll-gop-majority-wants-christianity-as-national-religion/#sthash.FvlnjSay.dpuf

And you will willingly let them take over, in the name of GOD...
 
Being a liberal, and having a leader that supports Islam and funds Islamic Terrorism I'm sure for you it's in the name of Allah

who's trying to take your guns?  are you a felone or something?

wwv10MHZ: WET-xxxx = TROLL!!!





Wet xxxx? According to our forum's phony prude WWV10MHZ, he carefully chooses which words has he has deemed suitable for use in our forum; evidently the foul-mouthed hypocrite WWV10MHZ still doesn't think that his use of offensive language should be considered reprehensible; and, evidently, jivin' jim, our forum's so-called moderator is asleep at the wheel again.

Local5th: It didn't say GOP[,] dumb ass. It said Christians.



Local5th, according to the survey, 44% of the Republicans polled favour a Christian theocracy.



And so what? You liberals dream of taking our guns. That ain't gonna happen either.

Local5th, your logical fallacy (and fallacy of argument): red herring--the fallacy characterised by someone diverting the original argument to another, irrelevant argument.

The topic here is a poll that found 44% of Republicans favour a Christian theocracy. You, however, shifted the original argument to another, irrelevant argument--"liberals dream of taking away our guns."   

If you are so fucking smart,, how come you are HERE??? PISS OFF BOY!!!

How come Obama doesn't have you in his outer office.

Baretta19: Being a liberal, and having a leader that who supports Islam and funds Islamic Islamist Terrorism terrorism[,] I'm sure for you it's in the name of Allah[.]

Baretta19, yours is another red herring argument, Baretta19. The original issue is a poll that found 44% of Republicans favour the establishment of a state religion. Your response, however, is an irrelevant d; and distraction away from the main issue; it accuses your opponent of having a leader who supports Islam, funds Islamist terrorism, and accuses your opponent as posting in the name of Allah. So in addition to being a red herring, your response also commits another logical fallacy: ad hominem--arguing against the person making the argument rather than against the argument itself.

Byteryder: I have no church[;] my only God is my God.

Byteryder, your having no church and having only one God isn't the issue here. Your logical fallacy (and fallacy of argument): straw man.

You've propped up a straw man (a false argument) to attack; truth is, you're "refuting" an argument that was never made.

But given a choice between a Theocracy theocracy and Socialism socialism[;] I'll take the Theocracy theocracy[.]

Byteryder, the Constitution forbids the establishment of a theocracy; it does not forbid socialism.

 

 Do you know your State's Preamble?
Alabama 1901, Preamble
We the people of the State of Alabama , invoking the favor
and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution..
Alaska 1956, Preamble
We, the people of Alaska , grateful to God and to those
who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.
Arizona 1911, Preamble
We, the people of the State of Arizona , grateful to Almighty
God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...
Arkansas 1874, Preamble
We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty
God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...
California 1879, Preamble
We, the People of the State of California , grateful to Almighty
God for our freedom...
Colorado 1876, Preamble
We, the people of Colorado , with profound reverence for the
Supreme Ruler of Universe...
Connecticut 1818, Preamble.
The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the
good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.
Delaware 1897, Preamble
Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights
of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the
dictates of their consciences.
Florida 1885, Preamble
We, the people of the State of Florida , grateful to Almighty
God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...
Georgia 1777, Preamble
We, the people of Georgia , relying upon protection and
guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...
Hawaii 1959, Preamble
We, the people of Hawaii , Grateful for Divine Guidance ...
Establish this Constitution.
Idaho 1889, Preamble
We, the people of the State of Idaho , grateful to Almighty God
for our freedom, to secure its blessings.
Illinois 1870, Preamble
We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil,
political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy
and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
Indiana 1851, Preamble
We, the People of the State of Indiana , grateful to Almighty God for the
free exercise of the right to choose our form of government.
Iowa 1857, Preamble
We, the People of the State of Iowa , grateful to the Supreme Being for
the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for
a continuation of these blessings, establish this Constitution.
Kansas 1859, Preamble
We, the people of Kansas , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and
religious privileges establish this Constitution.
Kentucky 1891, Preamble
We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for
the civil, political and religious liberties..
Louisiana 1921, Preamble
We, the people of the State of Louisiana , grateful to Almighty God for
the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.
Maine 1820, Preamble
We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness
of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity ...
And imploring His aid and direction.

 Cont'd

We, the people of the state of Maryland , grateful to Almighty God for
our civil and religious liberty...
Massachusetts 1780, Preamble
We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts,
the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe In the course of His
Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction
Michigan 1908, Preamble
We, the people of the State of Michigan , grateful to Almighty God for
the blessings of freedom, establish this Constitution.
Minnesota, 1857, Preamble
We, the people of the State of Minnesota , grateful to God for our civil
and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings:
Mississippi 1890, Preamble
We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.
Missouri 1845, Preamble
We, the people of Missouri , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler
of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness - Establish this Constitution...
Montana 1889, Preamble.
We, the people of Montana , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of
liberty establish this Constitution..
Nebraska 1875, Preamble
We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom.
Establish this Constitution.
Nevada 1864, Preamble
We the people of the State of Nevada , grateful to Almighty God for our
freedom, establish this Constitution...
New Hampshire 1792, Part I.. Art. I. Sec. V
Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God
according to the dictates of his own conscience.
New Jersey 1844, Preamble
We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God
for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy,
and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
New Mexico 1911, Preamble
We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty..

.
New Mexico 1911, Preamble
We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty..
New York 1846, Preamble
We, the people of the State of New York , grateful to Almighty God for our
freedom, in order to secure its blessings.
North Carolina 1868, Preamble
We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God,
the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those...
North Dakota 1889, Preamble
We, the people of North Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for the
blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...
Ohio 1852, Preamble
We the people of the state of Ohio , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom,
to secure its blessings and to promote our common.
Oklahoma 1907, Preamble
Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate
the blessings of liberty, establish this
Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I Section 2.
All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God
according to the dictates of their consciences
Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble
We, the people of Pennsylvania , grateful to Almighty God for the
blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance...
Rhode Island 1842, Preamble.
We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God
for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to
enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing....
South Carolina , 1778, Preamble
We, the people of the State of South Carolina grateful to God for our
liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.
South Dakota 1889, Preamble
We, the people of South Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for our civil
and religious liberties.
Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III.
That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty
God according to the dictates of their conscience...
Texas 1845, Preamble
We the People of the Republic of Texas , acknowledging, with gratitude, t
he grace and beneficence of God.
Utah 1896, Preamble
Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.
Vermont 1777, Preamble
Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals who compose
it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of
Existence has bestowed on man.
Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI
Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by
Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance,
Love and Charity towards each other
Washington 1889, Preamble
We the People of the State of Washington , grateful to the Supreme
Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution
West Virginia 1872, Preamble
Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political
and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in
and constant reliance upon God ....
Wisconsin 1848, Preamble
We, the people of Wisconsin , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom,
domestic tranquility....
Wyoming 1890, Preamble
We, the people of the State of Wyoming , grateful to God for our civil,
political, and religious liberties, establish this Constitution...
 
After reviewing acknowledgments of God from all 50 state
constitutions, one is faced with the prospect that maybe,
the ACLU and  federal courts are wrong!
If you found this to be 'Food for thought' send to as many
as you think will be enlightened as I hope you were.
Let us bring God back into America !
 
GOD BLESS AMERICA !

wow...you Rethugs are definitely Cray Cray... (http://<A)
 
you reap what you sow......you have a bevy of retard and corporate sellout candidates being voted for by a retarded and/or corporate sellout electorate...
 
 
mmm.....good luck w that...  (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/emo_hattip.gif)

Wvit,


Which religion do you think most Americans espouse to?

A. Christianity
B. Judaism
C. Hinduism
D. Islam


Answer______

"A new PPP Survey reveals that 44 percent of Republicans favor making Christianity the official religion of the United States."

KensanIV: Do you mean to tell us that you don't believe that the majority believes in any religion[?]

No. I'm telling you that a new survey found forty-four per cent of Republicans polled favour defying the Constitution and establishing a theocracy in the United States, namely making Christianity the official religion of the United States of America.   

So I guess that you believe that this country has no religious founding nor does it exist in our founding documents?

You're confused again, KensanIV, the real question here is why a majority of Republicans polled in the PPP survey would favour establishing a state-endorsed religion, something explicitly forbidden by the US Constitution.

A quick tour of history may help you Godless liberals.

Frankly speaking, a comprehensive reading of US history and the US Constitution would help you and all the other conservatives in this forum, KensanIV.

Remember who won the Iowa caucuses last election?  I'll let you figure that one out.

KensanIV, your asking who won the Iowa caucuses last year is an irrelevant distraction away from the original topic of discussion. You know, a red herring. Now let's see how long it takes you to understand that.

Given a choice between Hillary and a Christian[,] guess what?

Guess what? I could care less about your choice. Oh, and by the way, Hillary Clinton is a Christian--a Methodist, in fact.

faxy, per our Constitution it doesn't matter what religion people adhere to.  All American citizens are to be treated equally under our laws.

wet-xxxx and her fellow Lib-Tards always fall over themselves to trash anything and everything Religious, especially Christian!!!

how is saying that all American citizens are to be treated equally under our laws trashing religion?

A question from jst-the-fax:


Which religion do you think most Americans espouse to?

A. Christianity
B. Judaism
C. Hinduism
D. Islam


Answer:  irrelevant

In the United States, the number of adherents a religion has does not give that religion any special privileges or advantages over any other religion. The First Amendment explicitly forbids it.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
___Amendment I, US Constitution

Translation in plain 21st century English:

Many countries have made one religion the established church and supported it with government funds.

As originally understood and ratified by the states, the First Amendment forbids Congress to set up or in any way provide for an established church. (The First Amendment has been since incorporated into the Fourteenth Amendment and it now applies to the states as well.) 

That's not what trashes religion.

 WWV10MHZ: wet-xxxx and her fellow Lib-Tards always fall over themselves to trash anything and everything Religious, especially Christian!!! [sic]

wet-xxxx?

Speaking of trash, why does jim--supposedly this forum's rules enforcer--allow the foul-mouthed, hypocrite WWV10MHZ to continue using the language he had the audacity to condemned me for using? And where are all his finger-pointing supporters who joined him in his excoriation of me? And last, but not least, where's old "eagle-eye" jim, who is quite good at spotting infractions made by this forum's progressives, but is suddenly struck blind when his cronies on the right flaunt the rules of decorum that he has supposedly set forth for all discussants in this forum to follow?

hawks needs to be suspended!!!!! [sic]
__WWV10MHZ, "Ad Hominem Attack-A New LOW Has Been Reached!!!!!" [sic], reply #4, 10-29-15, 10:29:11PM

No, WWV10MHZ, it's you who should be banned for life. You and certain others really stink up this place.

 



 

 

Hawkiepooh,  Allow me to help you out.. It was the Christian candidate who had been the Governor of Arkansas,  The
Christians of Arkansas and the Christians of Iowa  DO NOT CHANGE VERY MUCH.  Nor does the attitude and the desire of these voters to stand up and be noticed. 

The choice really doesn't matter, it will be Mike Huckabee (as it was in 2012) or it will be someone who has the same goals and values as Huckabee.

No that much changes in Iowa. 

KensanIV: Hawkiepooh,  Allow me to help you out.. [sic]

Hawkiepooh?

Hawk,  The point was or is.... Those who believe in God and Christianity are going to vote for the person they see as the same as they are.  If I had to guess it will be Dr. Ben Carson in Iowa.  I doubt that it will hold true in New Hampshire...but will pop up again in South Carolina.   I think that Huckabee has had his chance... and should ride off into the sunset.  And Hillary should follow. 

I could be wrong... I was once, I think. 

A new PPP Survey reveals that 44 percent of Republicans favor making Christianity the official religion of the United States.
   
The United States is 71% Christian. So, what part of this don't you understand?  Never mind, I just realized that 99% of the U.S. speaks English and you have trouble making English our "Official" language.   So, I think the better question is: What the puck is wrong with you ?!?  Were you dropped on your head?

 

Wow!

A daily KOS/PPP survey of "republicans"!

I bet not a single republican was surveyed!

Don't fall for this fraud's nonsense!

D2D: A daily KOS/PPP survey of "republicans"! [sic] I bet not a single republican [sic] was surveyed[.]

D2D,

Your logical fallacy: incredulity-- the state of being unwilling or unable to believe something.

Your assertion is based solely on your disbelief, not on any real fact. Your simply arguing that you don't happen to believe the KOS-PPP survey polled a single Republican does not disprove the findings of that survey. Does it, D2D? 

Don't fall for this fraud's nonsense!

The only fraudulent nonsense I see here is the malarkey you posted, D2D. And I can safely presume that no rational member of this forum--especially a critical reader--will fall for it.

LOL

The Daily KOS is not known for honesty!

 

KOS is jus ta Red Rag

So 54% don't....majority rules.

I doubt that any R would come out for a Christian Theocracy if they really understood what it is.  We have never really had one in this country, but our founding fathers came mighty close.

I'd rather have a government believing in the values of the Ten Commandants than one that believes in nothing.

To: Local5th, Byteryder, KensanIV, WWV10MHZ, Baretta19, daBoz, jst-the-fax, Dan, jim, and D2D

As the United States continues to grow its minority population, the number of Americans identifying as a white Christian has dropped. The results of the latest survey put even more pressure on the Republican (http://www.examiner.com/republican) party that is struggling to build support (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/14/can-the-gop-win-minority-votes-by-running-minority-candidates-its-not-so-simple/) in various minority voting groups.

http://www.examiner.com/article/white-christians-no-longer-a-majority-the-u-s-numbers-drop-to-historic-lows (http://www.examiner.com/article/white-christians-no-longer-a-majority-the-u-s-numbers-drop-to-historic-lows)

But I posted almost the same thing back in March.

A new study reports that white Christians, long understood to be the primary shapers of American politics and culture, are rapidly losing their majority status across the country — even in traditionally conservative states.

http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2015/03/06/3630900/white-christians-no-longer-majority-19-states/ (http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2015/03/06/3630900/white-christians-no-longer-majority-19-states/)

Remember?

KensanIV: I doubt that any [Republican]would come out for a Christian Theocracy if they really understood what it is.

KensanIV, explain why you are doubtful of the survey that found 44% of Republicans polled favoured the idea of establishing a Christian theocracy here in the United States.

We have never really had one in this country, but our founding fathers came mighty close.

The First Amendment's Establishment Clause refutes that lie, KensanIV.

I'd rather have a government believing in the values of the Ten Commandants than one that believes in nothing.

Evidently, our republic's founders didn't share your theocratic opinion, KensanIV. Apparently, they thought the American people would be best served by believing in and applying the principles set forth in the Constitution and Bill of Rights they drafted 

Must be horrible to live in fear.

Do you all stay awake at night to find shit like this to worry about?

 
What would Christianity force you to do?  Would they force you to pray?  Would they force your wife to wear a burka?  Would they force you into church?  Would they force you to celebrate Christmas or Easter?


What would Christianity force you to do?
 

In the past Christianity has forced people to pay fines and face imprisonment for not attending church. The government of England and the Catholic Church of England were pretty much the same thing.

White Christians are no longer a majority in the United States.

6 March 2015
http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2015/03/06/3630900/white-christians-no-longer-majority-19-states/

23 November 2015
http://www.examiner.com/article/white-christians-no-longer-a-majority-the-u-s-numbers-drop-to-historic-lows
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/poll-white-christians-population-216154

If true, why does that make you happy?

In U.S., 77% Identify as Christian

PRINCETON, NJ -- The large majority of Americans -- 77% of the adult population -- identify with a Christian religion, including 52% who are Protestants or some other non-Catholic Christian religion, 23% who are Catholic, and 2% who affiliate with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Another 18% of Americans do not have an explicit religious identity and 5% identify with a non-Christian religion.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/159548/identify-christian.aspx

D2D: If true, blah blah blah....

It's true, D2D.
http://www.examiner.com/article/white-christians-no-longer-a-majority-the-u-s-numbers-drop-to-historic-lows (http://www.examiner.com/article/white-christians-no-longer-a-majority-the-u-s-numbers-drop-to-historic-lows)

Local5th: So? Is that a bigoted victory for you?

No, Local5th. It's a defeat for the bigoted Republican Party's conservative base.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/the_incredible_shrinking_repub.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/the_incredible_shrinking_repub.html)

Yet, you are the one who hates "white Christians" so much that you had to start this thread?

Says allot about your bigoted nature toward "white Christians"!

sweetwater5s9: In U.S., 77% Identify as Christian.


Yeah, sweetwater5s9. But just 46 percent of adults in the U.S. are white Christians, a nine point drop from 2007 when that number was at 55 percent.

White Christians, long considered the bedrock of the GOP's base, are no longer a majority in the United States.

"The results of the latest survey put even more pressure on the Republican (http://www.examiner.com/republican) party that is struggling to build support (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/14/can-the-gop-win-minority-votes-by-running-minority-candidates-its-not-so-simple/) in various minority voting groups. "

http://www.examiner.com/article/white-christians-no-longer-a-majority-the-u-s-numbers-drop-to-historic-lows (http://www.examiner.com/article/white-christians-no-longer-a-majority-the-u-s-numbers-drop-to-historic-lows)

D2D: Yet, you are the one who hates "white Christians" so much that you had to start this thread? [sic]

Is that a question or a statement, D2D?

Says allot [sic] about your bigoted nature toward "white Christians"! [sic]

Your attacking straw men--putting your words in your opponent's mouth-- says a lot about your dishonesty, you lying knucklehead.

You are the one delighting in the idea there are fewer "white Christians"!

That makes you a bigot!

What Sect/Branch of Christianity would be in charge?  Who would be its Leader?

(At least we'd HAVE a Leader in that case!!!!!)

"KensanIV: I doubt that any [Republican]would come out for a Christian Theocracy if they really understood what it is.

KensanIV, explain why you are doubtful of the survey that found 44% of Republicans polled favoured the idea of establishing a Christian theocracy here in the United States.

We have never really had one in this country, but our founding fathers came mighty close.

I'd rather have a government believing in the values of the Ten Commandants than one that believes in nothing.

Evidently, our republic's founders didn't share your theocratic opinion, KensanIV. Apparently, they thought the American people would be best served by believing in and applying the principles set forth in the Constitution and Bill of Rights they drafted."

So Hawks,  you actually believe that our founding fathers did not have the Ten Commandments as their guide when they made the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

I will come back with a few facts on that.

The below is from Snopes...

Obviously Hawkie, you have never looked at the buildings in our nations capitol or from most of the state capitols in this country as to the original founding fathers and their beliefs in a God or a Supreme Being.

Not that much has really changed except many of our liberal citizens who seem to be afraid to take a stand and support a belief that goes back about 200 years years that was accepted by our founding fathers... I guess it is just an inconvenience to stand up And be honest.

Look for the *****.

[FONT=][SIZE=2 abp=358] Did you know ... As you walk up the steps to the Capitol Building which houses the Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view — ****it is Moses and the Ten Commandments! As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the ****Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door. As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall right above where the Supreme Court judges sit a display of the Ten Commandments! ****There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C. James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our Constitution" made the following statement "****We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said, "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians...not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ". Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher...whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777. ******Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies. Thomas Jefferson worried about that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law...an oligarchy...the rule of few over many... The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said, ****"Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers." I'm sure we could find many hundreds of other references to the Almighty God and begging for his blessings. [/SIZE][/FONT]

Wvit, I also feel that religious law is bad, yet, liberals are putting Christians in a position where they are to be discriminated or discriminate. Secondly, liberals are abusing religious freedom to conduct crimes that can not be allowed simply on the grounds of faith, such as abortion. Murder is still murder and not a rite that should be protected as religious.

D2D: You are the one delighting in the idea there are fewer "white Christians"! [sic]  That makes you a bigot[.]

D2D,

At no time have I said I am delighted that there are fewer white Christians in the United states. I cited articles that revealed white Christians are no longer a majority in this country. That's proves you remain a bald-faced liar.

PRINCETON, NJ -- The large majority of Americans -- 77% of the adult population -- identify with a Christian religion, including 52% who are Protestants or some other non-Catholic Christian religion, 23% who are Catholic, and 2% who affiliate with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Another 18% of Americans do not have an explicit religious identity and 5% identify with a non-Christian religion.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/159548/identify-christian.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/159548/identify-christian.aspx)

KensanIV: Obviously[,] Hawkie 1965hawks, you have never looked at the buildings in our nations capitol or from most of the state capitols in this country....

KensanIV,

What's obvious here is that you never looked at the Snopes article you cited. If you had, you would had seen how it debunks your argument.

LOL

From Snopes.com:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp

sweetwater5s9: According to a Gallup Poll, the large majority of Americans -- 77% of the adult population -- identify with a Christian religion.

[W]hite Christians, once the majority in virtually every major population area in America, are now a minority in 19 states.
http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2015/03/06/3630900/white-christians-no-longer-majority-19-states/

so 46% of republicans don't and mostly likely 90% of independents and 90 % of Democrats don't.

so whats your point?

ain't gonna happen.

 The large majority of Americans -- 77% of the adult population -- identify with a Christian religion, including 52% who are Protestants or some other non-Catholic Christian religion, 23% who are Catholic, and 2% who affiliate with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Another 18% of Americans do not have an explicit religious identity and 5% identify with a non-Christian religion.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/159548/identify-christian.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/159548/identify-christian.aspx)

KensanIV: So[,] Hawks 1965hawks, you actually believe that our founding fathers did not have the Ten Commandments as their guide when they made the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

KensanIV,

Claims that the Founding Fathers were particularly religious are plainly false.

Especially dear to the right-wing crowd is the belief that the Founding Fathers were devout church goers. Compared with modern-day politicians, perhaps they were. But there's not much evidence that they were regular worshipers, at least not in regard to many of the most famous founders. through most of his presidency Washington did not go to church except on special occasions. Neither Jefferson nor Frnklin  regularly went to church either. John Adams did. Alexander Hamilton during most of his life did not.


Claims that the Founding Fathers were particularly religious are plainly false. While virtually all believed in the divinity of Christ, most remained somewhat skeptical of religion and referred  ambiguously  in correspondence to Providence rather than to Christ Himself or God. Debunker Robert Hughes  reports that in political matters Washington went out of his way to avoid invoking the authority of Christ. When the Continental Congress in 1776 decreed a a day of fasting and prayer" to confess and bewail our manifest sins...through the merits and meditation of Jesus Christ," Washington omitted the reference to Christ when he repeated the admonition to his troops.  In his dying hours Washington, a self-styled deist, never mentioned God or religion, and he left no money for religious causes in his will.


Franklin is said to have believed in the Divinity of Christ  but is also reported to have thought there might be other gods as well. he apparently believed strongly in an afterlife; when his brother john died in 1756, franklin told grieving relatives not to be too anxious since all would eventually be rejoined in some kind of heaven. "Why should you and I be grieved at this," he wrote, "since we are soon to follow and know where to find him?"


Jefferson, oddly enough, was probably more religious than Washington, but remained iconoclastic to the end. He was a regular Bible reader, publicly announcing that he was a Christian, and even wrote a little book on the "morals of Christ." But he also thought Christ's statements were "defective" because when He was crucified, he hadn't yet reached his peak development as a thinker.


Hamilton poses special problems. He was religious in the beginning of his life and at the end, but not in the middle. in college, according to his roommate, Hamilton was in the habit of" praying upon his knees both night and morning." From 1810, when his political career began to decline, to 1804, when he was killed by Aaron Burr, he again was intently religious. but in between those periods, Hamilton's religiosity is in doubt. Historian Douglass Adair is in the opinion that during the Revolution Hamilton was utterly indifferent to religion. As secretary of the treasury he began to speak the language of religion and earned the reputation of a Christian statesman, bemoaning the Jacobin, anticlerical, irreligious beliefs of his opponents (especially Jefferson). But  Adair concludes that Hamilton's religiosity was "opportunistic," that "forgetting Christ's  distinctions between things which are God's and those which are Caesar's." Hamilton "attempted to enlist God in the Federalist party to buttress that party's temporal power."

Richard Shenhkman, Legends Lies & Cherished Myths of American History, William Monrow and Company Inc,. (1988), p. 35-36

So to answer your question, KensanIV. No. I do not believe the framers of the US Constitution and US Bill of Rights were guided by the Ten Commandments when they drafted those documents.  Contrary to what you and your fellow right-wingers believe, the United States is not and never has been a Christian nation.

http://alternet.org/story/155985/5_reasons_america_is_not_--_and_has_never_been_--_a_christian_nation/

It wasn't a nation then local, it was an outpost.  The only nation in North America at the time were the Indian nations and they weren't Christian.

It wasn't a nation then local, it was an outpost.

So. It was a small nation.

no, not really you goof.

that's what he said xyz.  you don't have to restate it.

Survival of the fittest since life began and many Americans want to remain fit.    Liberals/socialists want to control evolution.   Will not work and hasn't.

eliminating cerebral palsey is a good thing

Conservative republican christian taliban types are anti-american traitors.

Again Jw2 claims Conservative Christians are executing women in soccer stadiums and blowing up candy and toy stores!

Where is your proof, Jw2?

Hey, D2D! Disprove this.

http://alternet.org/belief/9-ways-christian-zealots-ruin-america

Wow, a hate Christians screed!

Why am I not surprised!

All you have is hatred for Christians and any Christian expression in the public square!

Local5th: Why waste time disproving an opinion you can't prove?

Local5th, why do you and your fellow right-wingers in this forum waste your time trying to argue positions you can't defend? Why do you waste your time trying to the impossible--disprove facts (the truth)?


http://alternet.org/belief/9-ways-christian-zealots-ruin-america

Again, Hawks cites opinion as fact!

Seems he doesn't know the difference between the two!

D2D: Again, Hawks cites opinion as fact[.]

D2D, you're stating an opinion, not a fact.

Seems he doesn't know the difference between the two[.]

OK, D2D, you little smart aleck bitch. Show the forum you know the difference by defining opinion and fact.

HAHA

D2D, you accused me of not knowing the difference between opinion and fact. But, not surprisingly, when I asked you to prove you knew the difference by defining those words you couldn't do it. Your inability to define opinion and fact--and thereby prove you know the different meanings of those words--reminded us again that you (our forum's pathological liar) is also nothing more than a know-nothing babbler who continually gets caught with her foot in her mouth.

LOL

You are the one who posted an opinion piece as fact!

It is no more than one long spew of childish name calling based on nothing but bigotry on the author's part!