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Title: IQ
Post by: littleeye on 11 24, 14, 10:47:52:AM
http://www.eutimes.net/2009/11/iq-by-country/

The truth has a way of getting in the way of social justice.


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 24, 14, 10:51:04:AM
European Union Times


The European Union Times claims to be a news site. Its articles on Barack Obama (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Barack_Obama) have been linked from a few Libertarian (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Libertarian) Tea Party (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tea_Party) blogs, presumably pleased to find what is apparently a news site that supports some of their views. It even has lots of mainstream advertising served by ContextWeb! Eminently respectable to all appearances.

Upon closer inspection, however, it is little more than a compiler and regurgitator of various news stories and a particularly unpleasant far-right-leaning blog. The reporting is, without exception, shockingly unprofessional. Do not be fooled by the nice WordPress theme — this is utter neo-Nazi (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Neo-Nazi) bollocks.


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 24, 14, 10:54:32:AM
European Union Times


For a supposedly Europe-centric news site, it is interesting to see how many of the stories have absolutely nothing to do with Europe, but instead report on American matters (see aforementioned Obama conspiracy pandering). If the title wasn't enough, the site's About section offers no concrete information at all.

No staff list, no address, no history, nothing. What it does do is claim that this shitbubble of a site is "an international newspaper based in Europe [emphasis added] with operational branches in America and Canada". Interestingly, the domain name is very much not registered in Europe.

With all of the above taken into consideration, the political affiliation (and indeed geographical location) of the site's creators is perhaps not surprising. Oh, and they happily 'quote' David Duke (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Duke)


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 24, 14, 10:55:39:AM
Are racist blogs and wacko nutsites all you teabagging old republinutty idiots on here read?


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: Byteryder on 11 24, 14, 11:01:31:AM
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/European_Union_Times


You forgot to attribute your plagiarized commentary.


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 24, 14, 11:10:38:AM
 It should be clear to any well educated person that the best hopes for raising the intelligence of everyone is to get at the basis of human intelligence?  There are no reputable intelligence researchers who claim that environment is not critically important in achieving optimal intelligence for all individuals. So why do so many researchers with leftist political sympathies keep trying to claim that the genes are not important in the laying down of every person's brain capacity?

Humanity is currently stuck in a quagmire of stupidity. The crisis is made much worse by political hucksters within academia, media, and government who appear determined to prevent science from understanding the core truths of human intellectual variability.  If we allow political correctness to prevent us from learning how to improve everyone's intellectual capacity, we will have probably dealt a death blow to humanity's future.

Current demographic trends suggest that the average IQ of Earth's human population is descending steadily -- from near 90 currently to barely above 80 by 2050. The difference between an average IQ of 90 and an average of 80 is huge, societally speaking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_of_nations). Just as the difference between an average IQ of 100 and an average IQ of 90 is brutally significant in terms of societal outcome.

The Earth can support a far larger human population than currently exists. But not if the average human IQ continues to drop. 

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/88/Sketch-4race-transparent.png/400px-Sketch-4race-transparent.png)


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 24, 14, 11:15:56:AM
we all know sweaty is a bigoted old coot and he continues to wear that like some demented badge of honor.


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: littleeye on 11 24, 14, 11:20:48:AM
One must ask why the truth is seen as racist by liberals.


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 24, 14, 11:23:53:AM
whose truth?  the truth is that studies done by racist old goofballs like you 2 aren't very truthful.


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 24, 14, 11:24:23:AM
One must also ask why wvit bitches about leftwing IQ data and premises?  Is he a bigot? 


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 24, 14, 11:29:14:AM
Why People Keep Misunderstanding the 'Connection' Between Race and IQ
 
Let's start with the fact that there is no such thing as a direct test of general mental ability. What IQ tests measure directly is the test-taker's display of particular cognitive skills: size of vocabulary, degree of reading comprehension, facility with analogies, and so on. Any conclusions about general mental ability are inferences drawn from the test-taker's relative mastery of those various skills.
 
Turkheimer's findings make perfect sense once you recognize that IQ scores reflect some varying combination of differences in native ability and differences in opportunities. Among rich kids, good opportunities for developing the relevant cognitive skills are plentiful, so IQ differences are driven primarily by genetic factors. For less advantaged kids, though, test scores say more about the environmental deficits they face than they do about native ability.
 
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http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/05/why-people-keep-misunderstanding-the-connection-between-race-and-iq/275876/2/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/05/why-people-keep-misunderstanding-the-connection-between-race-and-iq/275876/2/)
 
 


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 24, 14, 11:56:35:AM
A PhD student at Harvard submitted a dissertation claiming there is a measureable, identifiable, quantifiable correlation between race and IQ.  The dissertation was accepted by Harvard, and the degree conferred on Jason Richwine in 2009.

The typical liberal response to facts they don’t like is to deny, deny, deny and then strangle whomever had the temerity to speak.  This is also just stupid.

So what is the point of the denial?  Why argue that race is a nebulous concept that can’t be easily defined when the truth is so clearly the opposite, most of the time?

Student groups, those who are presumably actively in pursuit of knowledge and truth, want Harvard to shut down any research they deem inappropriate EVEN IF IT’S TRUE.

I wonder if those students know the motto of the school they go to?

Veritas.  It means truth.  That’s the whole point of university.  To pursue the truth.  Not “pursue only those truths which fit our ideological persuasions”.  Just truth.

The lack of imagination from the student groups at Harvard is troubling, but hardly surprising.  Their knee-jerk shrieking about banning the pursuit of truths they don’t like is part and parcel of liberal, feminist society.

In shutting down the conversation about race and IQ, Harvard students are explicitly saying they don’t WANT to find a reason behind low performance on IQ tests amongst certain racial groups.  They don’t CARE why some groups are not reaching their full human potential.  They don’t give ONE SINGLE FUCK about anyone other than themselves.


Now tell me again, who is the racist?


Harvard PhD student finds a correlation between race and IQ. Harvard students says even if it’s true, it shouldn’t be a topic of research.  (http://judgybitch.com/2013/05/20/harvard-phd-student-finds-a-correlation-between-race-and-iq-harvard-students-says-even-if-its-true-it-shouldnt-be-a-topic-of-research-everybody-is-wrong/)


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 24, 14, 12:17:15:PM
The Inside Story Of The Harvard Dissertation That Became Too Racist For Heritage



The recent fracas sparked by Dr. Jason Richwine’s doctoral dissertation is a case in point. The paper is a dry thing, written for an academic audience, yet its core claim, that Latino immigrants to the United States are and will likely remain less intelligent than “native whites,” has proved proper tinder for a public firestorm. The Heritage Foundation’s Senior Policy Analyst in Empirical Studies is now a former Senior Policy Analyst — Heritage could not risk further tainting an immigration report it hoped would be influential by outright defending its scholar’s meditations on the possibly genetic intellectual inferiority of immigrants from Latin America.

It might seem like the book is closed on l’affaire Richwine: he’s left his job, Heritage is left with a black eye, and not a single mind has been changed about the value of research into race and IQ. But there’s still one major unanswered question.

If the dissertation was bad enough to get him fired from the Heritage Foundation, how did it earn him a degree from Harvard?

A popular answer among Richwine’s defenders is that, quite simply, it was exemplary work. Richwine’s dissertation committee was made up, by all accounts, of three eminent scholars, each widely respected in their respective fields. And it is Harvard.

But dozens of interviews with subject matter experts, Harvard graduates in Richwine’s program who overlapped with him, and members of the committee itself paint a somewhat more textured picture. Richwine’s dissertation was sloppy scholarship, relying on statistical sophistication to hide some serious conceptual errors. Yet internal accounts of Richwine’s time at Harvard suggests the august university, for the most part, let serious problems in Richwine’s research  fall through the cracks.

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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/22/2044781/jason-richwine-harvard-dissertation-race-iq-hispanic/


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 24, 14, 01:43:55:PM
Richwine, the Harvard intellectual, thought he could discuss perhaps the most radioactive subject in America -- a mixture of race, ethnicity, and group intelligence -- in the context of another highly controversial topic -- immigration -- and act as if it were all a matter of scholarly inquiry. In addition, he made what was at best a careless mistake -- why post anything at AlternativeRight? - and further damaged himself by making tone-deaf remarks during a public discussion in Washington. Given the intensity of the immigration fight now raging in Washington, that was more than enough to do him in.

The Heritage report, target of so much criticism by proponents of comprehensive immigration reform, had nothing to do with either Richwine's dissertation or the things he said in the past few years that are now so controversial.

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow lied and ran a long segment linking Richwine to AlternativeRight, and to Richard Spencer, and to white nationalism and Holocaust denial and all sorts of things. Richwine says he tried not to pay attention to the attacks, but found it impossible -- especially since he had a Google Alert on his computer that kept reminding him when a new piece mentioning him appeared on the web.

I do not apologize for any of my work," he said. "I'm proud of it. But I do regret the way it has been used."

As the conversation went on, Richwine pointed to a piece a few years ago by Slate's William Saletan (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/features/2007/created_equal/liberalcreationism.html) that discussed the fact that there are IQ differences between groups but that many people simply don't want to hear about them, preferring instead to believe in an ideal of intelligence equality. "Saletan called this 'liberal creationism,'" Richwine said. "For liberals, that's their creationism -- something that is obviously not true from a scientific perspective, but that they have to believe."



Richwine and others also pointed to the fact that his ideas were expressed most completely in a dissertation done at Harvard, of all places, under the supervision of a group of distinguished scholars, and that the dissertation was accepted and Richwine was awarded a Ph.D. It seems unlikely that a Harvard dissertation, finished in 2009, would qualify as hate speech.





Finally, Richwine argued that whatever he wrote or said in the past about IQ, it is not part of the Heritage immigration report. That is true, but it also didn't dampen the controversy.



Byron York



So the truth loses to PC...   That will not help those who need it.


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 24, 14, 01:46:35:PM
your truth sweaty, which differs from the real truth.


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 24, 14, 02:56:07:PM
And what is the "real" truth, wvit?   (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/rolleyes.gif)


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: dont-blameme on 11 24, 14, 04:43:16:PM
The real truth to nitwit is what ever he believes it to be, which comes with his IQ being smaller than his shoe size! So the question' is nitwit african or arab?


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 24, 14, 04:45:19:PM
the real truth is that all men are created equal. 


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 24, 14, 05:00:34:PM
Created equal does not mean all have the same IQ or abilities, lol...  All are given the same material to work with between their ears and free will.   Some will use it and others will not or abuse it.


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: hoosier_daddy on 11 25, 14, 09:03:16:AM
funny how right wing shitheads like jerkwater can trust the opinions OF ONE HARVARD GRADUATE...OR ONE CLIMATOLOGIST...as being the gospel when it lines up with what fox and rush and newsmax have all told him to believe...but he cannot believe that 97% of all climate experts believe...or believe what 97% of all anthropologists and other experts say about how incredible similar ALL PEOPLE ARE and how almost all differences are not inherent or race based but just individual mutations that cannot be predicted or controlled....he WANTS to believe the right wing racist, SO HE DOES.  he wants to believe the dumbfuck head-in-the-sand climate change deniers, so he does.  YOU CAN FIND ONE "EXPERT" ON THE INTERNET WHO WILL BACK UP THE CRAZIEST RUMOR OR ASSERTION...


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 25, 14, 09:34:56:AM
Arthur Jensen was one of the first researchers to propose that the IQ gap between blacks and whites is best explained by a hypothesis that attributes at least some of the cause to genetic factors. His 1969 paper in "Harvard Education Review" also stated that compensatory education was not very effective and that "genetic differences were more important than cultural or socioeconomic differences in explaining individual differences in IQ within the white population."

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In almost every testing situation where the tests were administered and evaluated correctly, a difference of approximately one standard deviation was observed between the mean IQ score of blacks and whites. In the United States, the mean IQ score among blacks is approximately 85 and the mean IQ score among whites is approximately 100; the mean IQ score of Hispanics is usually reported to be between the mean black and white scores. The mean score for people of East Asian and Jewish descent is usually higher than the mean score of whites, but the extent of that difference is not precisely known. However, several studies place the median IQ of Ashkenazi Jews (who make up the overwhelming majority of American Jews) at approximately one standard deviation above the mean for other whites. In a normal distribution, only about 16% of the population is at least one standard deviation above the mean.

Similar gaps are seen in other tests of cognitive ability or aptitude, including the SAT. Likewise, the gap is reflected by gaps in the academic, economic, and social factors correlated with IQ. The practical importance of intelligence makes the source and meaning of the IQ gap a pressing social concern.

Many compilations of average IQ by country place East Asian countries at the top of such lists. Some argue that this is in part attributed to some IQ tests' inherent bias towards testing spatial reasoning. They argue that logographic languages like Chinese or Japanese develop spatial reasoning better than Roman languages prevalent in Europe and America. The same reasoning has been used to explain why students from Asia-Pacific countries (eg Singapore, South Korea) tend to score better than average in tests of mathematics. Some argue that the East Asian advantage can also be explained by more rigorous education programs. Opponents of these interpretations point out that people of East Asian descent who are born and educated in the United States and primarily speak English have a higher mean IQ score than their white peers.

cont @

http://sq.4mg.com/IQgap.htm (http://sq.4mg.com/IQgap.htm)


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 25, 14, 09:48:46:AM
By 1994, the time of The Bell Curve's publishing, Jensen had received $1.1 million from the Pioneer Fund, an organization frequently described as racist and "white supremacist" in nature. The fund contributed a total of $3.5 million to researchers cited in The Bell Curve's most controversial chapter "that suggests some races are naturally smarter than others" with Jensen's works being cited twenty-three times in the book's bibliography.

Lisa Suzuki and Joshua Aronson of New York University claimed in 2005 that Jensen has largely ignored evidence that fails to support his position that IQ test score gaps represent a genetic racial hierarchy unwaveringly for over 30 years.


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 25, 14, 10:10:20:AM
In almost every testing situation where the tests were administered and evaluated correctly, a difference of approximately one standard deviation was observed between the mean IQ score of blacks and whites. In the United States, the mean IQ score among blacks is approximately 85 and the mean IQ score among whites is approximately 100; the mean IQ score of Hispanics is usually reported to be between the mean black and white scores. The mean score for people of East Asian and Jewish descent is usually higher than the mean score of whites, but the extent of that difference is not precisely known. However, several studies place the median IQ of Ashkenazi Jews (who make up the overwhelming majority of American Jews) at approximately one standard deviation above the mean for other whites. In a normal distribution, only about 16% of the population is at least one standard deviation above the mean.

Similar gaps are seen in other tests of cognitive ability or aptitude, including the SAT. Likewise, the gap is reflected by gaps in the academic, economic, and social factors correlated with IQ. The practical importance of intelligence makes the source and meaning of the IQ gap a pressing social concern.

Many compilations of average IQ by country place East Asian countries at the top of such lists. Some argue that this is in part attributed to some IQ tests' inherent bias towards testing spatial reasoning. They argue that logographic languages like Chinese or Japanese develop spatial reasoning better than Roman languages prevalent in Europe and America. The same reasoning has been used to explain why students from Asia-Pacific countries (eg Singapore, South Korea) tend to score better than average in tests of mathematics. Some argue that the East Asian advantage can also be explained by more rigorous education programs. Opponents of these interpretations point out that people of East Asian descent who are born and educated in the United States and primarily speak English have a higher mean IQ score than their white peers.


cont @

http://sq.4mg.com/IQgap.htm


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 25, 14, 10:13:18:AM
sweaty just hates it that all men are created equal.  His racist beliefs and opinions won't let him accept this fact.


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 25, 14, 10:14:35:AM
sweaty's real problem is that if he can't believe he's better than a black man then what else has sweaty got?  he knows he's a failure as a man.


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 25, 14, 10:24:06:AM
Actually, I am all for science help the less fortunate with the problems low IQ creates socially and economically in every nation.   Why you do not like the science involved and would rather ignore the problem, wvit, you are supporting hurting many people rather than offering a chance for help.

Your ignorant post points that out clearly.


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 25, 14, 10:27:23:AM
see there sweaty, you just can't face the fact that all men are created equal can you.  If you did you might have to face your own failings head on.


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: sweetwater5s9 on 11 25, 14, 11:17:59:AM
Created equal does not mean all have the same IQ or abilities, lol...  All are given the same material to work with between their ears and free will.   Some will use it and others will not or abuse it like you wvit.


Title: Re: IQ
Post by: wvit1001 on 11 25, 14, 11:21:18:AM
you're the one talking in circles trying to defend your goofy ideas sweaty, not me.