http://www.alternet.org/florida-high-school-named-after-kkk-founder-2013 (http://www.alternet.org/florida-high-school-named-after-kkk-founder-2013)
 
 

hawks, I know that you are not from the US so let me give you a little education.....
 
Google Robert Byrd.

1965hawks gonna cry us a river. Such small people you whiners are. boo hoo sniff sniff.

How about this racist shit hawks---> miss black America pageant,, negro college fund naacp bet tv black history month affirmative action racial balance racial quota's  the list could go on but you know all that all ready don't you whiney ass racist, now cry your river and drown in it.

Byrd was a democrat so that don't count

So are you implying that hawks is a hypocrite and intellectually dishonest and filled with faux outrage?  (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/rolleyes.gif)

Prior to founding the KKK, Nathaniel Bedford Forrest held elected office in Memphis, TN as (drum roll, Please)
 
 
 
A democrat, not surprisingly.

"Byrd was a democrat so that don't count"
 
 
So was Forrest!!
 
 
If you want to see how each political mindset works regarding race, remember that democrats brought us the KKK. To combat the new evil, conservatives brought us the NRA to protect newly freed blacks from the democrat KKK.

Jacksonille honours a traitor, war criminal, and terrorist
 
What does Hawk have against Democrats?
 

Why would Jacksonville honor you, hawks?

thomass,

Robert Byrd was neither a slave trader, traitor, war criminal, nor founder of the Ku Klux Klan. But Nathan Bedford Forrest was. And allow me to remind you the Nathan Bedford Forrest is the topic of this discussion, not Robert Byrd. Why do you make your red herrings so easy to spot, thom?

Oh, and by the way, who told you I'm not from the US? I'm curious to know.




Damn, dontblameme. You get dumber and dumber with each passing minute. The topic of this discussion isn't about African Americans it's about the idiotic decision of the Duval County, FL, School Board to name a high school in honour of a traitor, war criminal and founder of a terrorist organization. Neither Miss Black America nor the United Negro College Fund are guilty of those crimes against humanity. You really need to sit your racist ass down and shut the fuck up.


And Florida is a Republican stronghold, but that doesn't count. Right, you racist dumb-fuck?

The point is hawks the topic was started by an african un American whiney ass die hard racist and race baiter. Isn't that the point in all your topics Racism!

Actually, the topic is about your supposed outrage about a KKK leader getting "honours".
 
I just pointed out someone that was a KKK leader that got a whole lot more "honours" than just a High School being named after him.
 
 
 
 
 

You did.
 
 

You show yet again that you know nothing about US politics.
 
Since BHO won the state of Florida in 2012, are you calling blacks in Florida racists?  (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/rolleyes.gif)

1965hawks is upset that Jacksonville is honoring a democrat!

Will wonders ever cease!

You're confused again, duke_john. Jacksonville didn't honour me. It honoured a slave trader, slave owner, traitor, a war criminal, and a founding father of a terrorist organization.
 

D2D,
 
If you had actually read the article, you would had seen that it was Omotayo Richmond, a concerned parent, who was upset. He is quoted as saying, "I don't want my daughter, or any other student, going to a school named under those circumstances." It was Mr. Richmond, not I, who launched the petition to change the name of the school.
 
And, by the way, you and your dumb-downed pals in this forum are as stupid and ignorant as always. The school's name has nothing to do with Forrest's political affiliation. School administrators renamed the School Nathan B. Forrest High School in 1959, to honour a Confederate General and former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, in defiance to school integration laws enforced by Brown v. Board of Education.
 
So  duke_john and D2D again demonstrate how dumbed-down right-wingers really are. Will their stupidity and ignorance ever cease? I doubt it.
 
LOL
 
http://www.alternet.org/florida-high-school-named-after-kkk-founder-2013 (http://www.alternet.org/florida-high-school-named-after-kkk-founder-2013)
 
 
 
 
 

Ha ha!  You're the idiot, hawkshit, being played with.

To: (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/rolleyes.gif)

Now let me point out your ignorance of US politics:

Yes. Democratic President Obama carried Florida in the 2012 Presidential Election, and the state's senior US Senator is a Democrat. But of the 27 members of Florida's US House Delegation, 17 are Republicans. On the state level, Florida's governor is a Republican and Republicans hold a majority in the Upper House (26-14), and also hold a majority in the Lower House (75-45)--even though there are more registered Democrats than Republicans in Florida. But Republican gerrymandering accounts for that anomaly.

Am I calling black Floridians racists. No. Are you?

Nice spin, hawkie.

Spin this, dumbfuck_john:
 
HAHA
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_U.S._states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_U.S._states)

Duke, you have to understand something about hawks.
 
He is not from the US and as such doesn't understand how things work and therefore has to rely on Wiki or far leftwing nut sites for his "knowledge".  He is incapable of thinking on his own behalf.
 
He does not realize that how a state went in the Presidential election generally defines if the state is "red" or "blue".  He doesn't realize that is how all election maps are color coded, hence the terms.
 
Cut him some slack.  Foreigners should not be expected to have the same level of knowledge as us citizens.

don't-blameme,

Only a dyed-in-the-wool racist asshole like you would have the audacity to call Mr. Richmond "an African un American whiney ass hard racist and race baiter" (sic) for launching a petition to change the name of Nathan Bedford Forrest High School.

http://www.change.org/petitions/duval-public-schools-no-more-kkk-high-school (http://www.change.org/petitions/duval-public-schools-no-more-kkk-high-school)

I know he isn't an America, Thomas.  It was obvious from the start.

However, his presence here doesn't afford him any special treatment.

1965hawks, it doesn't change the fact Forrest was a democrat!

You're confused again, D2D. The fact that Forrest was a Democrat is irrelevant. The school wasn't named in memory of his political affiliation. School administrators renamed the school in 1959 to glorify Nathan Bedford Forrest's role as a traitor and founding father of a terrorist organization and, of course, in defiance to school integration laws enforced by Brown v. Board of Education (1954).
 
http://www.alternet.org/florida-high-school-named-after-kkk-founder-2013 (http://www.alternet.org/florida-high-school-named-after-kkk-founder-2013)
 
 

Thomasj_tx,
 
Your logical fallacy: AD HOMINEN--a fallacy of logic (and fallacy of argumentation and debate) in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant poppycock about the person making the claim or argument.
 
The issue here is my claim that Nathan Bedford Forrest was a slave master and slave trader, a traitor, war criminal, and founding father of a terrorist organization. Your blabbering about me not being from this country neither refutes nor debunks any claims or arguments I've made, and neither refutes nor debunks the evidence I've provided to support those claims and arguments.
 

That's another logical fallacy (and fallacy of argumentation and debate), thom. It's called the GENETIC fallacy--a faulty line of "reasoning" in which a perceived defect in the origin of a claim is taken to be evidence that discredits the claim itself.
 
You blethered about "Wiki and far leftwing nut sites" (sic) but you carefully avoided providing evidence to support your claim that what I provided as evidence to support my claim lacks merit.
 
Shut the fuck up and sit down, you texass windbag.
 
 
 
 
 

duke_john,
 
Here's what was obvious from the moment you chimed in with your puerile comment: You're thom's stooge, his little bitch.
 
it's obvious that you're fooled by thom's pseudo-arguments, his pseudo-intellect and pseudo-intelligence. But I'm not.
 
 
 
 
 

 
Since 1959 and not even in Hawks own State.    What is your problem with other peoples' business, Hawk?
 

"Thomasj_tx,
 
Your logical fallacy: AD HOMINEN--a fallacy of logic (and fallacy of argumentation and debate) in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant (edited) about the person making the claim or argument."
 
Hawk, that isn't what happened. You made an assertion, to which Thomas, and others including myself, countered with very relevent arguements, whether or not you find the arguement compelling. Your follow up indicate that you do not understand the situation, hence Thomas asserts that since you are not from this country it is understandable that you would not understand the situation. No one said that because you are not an American your arguement is not valid. They countered your arguement on the basis of it's merit, or more accurately lack there of. Your nation of origin was only a factor in explaining why you might not understand factors in this country.

You are much too kind, Bob.  Hawkshit is an ass.

To: Bob Huntress and Thomasj_tx's supporters in this discussion

Your argument is still fallacious. You're still arguing an ad hominem. You're still arguing against me personally rather than providing evidence to support your argument.  Neither you nor any of your supporters have provided a shred of evidence to undermine my argument. In fact, you've provided no evidence whatsoever--neither evidence to support your own claim nor evidence to debunk mine. All you've done is waste your time trying to prove that I'm not from the United States, something that obviously you would never be able to do.  And has your repeated allegation (your logical fallacy of the repeated assertion) proved that I'm not from the US and, therefore, "don't understand how things work here?" Nope. It only demonstrates that you can't provide evidence to undermine my position and, therefore, must resort to and  rely on fallacies of argument (and logical fallacies), such as the ad hominems and genetic fallacies you've continued to use in this discussion.

No, Bob Huntress. You're self-delusional. Neither you, Thomasj_tx, duke_john, D2D, Jim, nor don't-blame has even come anywhere close to countering my claims with "relevant" and "compelling" arguments. All you've down is post a bunch of bombastic hooey that amounts to nothing more than what you 're doing now and what you always do in this forum--blowing smoke out your ass. Sit down and STFU.

LOl

 

dopie_john,
 
Speaking of ass, STFU and stick your head back in Bob's ass where you like to keep it most of the time, you Jersey Jerk-Off.
 
HAHA

Bugger off, hawkshit, you barmy chav.

"No, Bob Huntress. You're self-delusional."
 
 
How ad hominems of you? You disagree with me so I must be self-delusional? Interesting, especially as you are complaining of ad hominem attacks. My point is whether or not you find the counter claims that were presented to be compelling, those claims were not attacks at you personally. If you are already convicted that you are right, it would not change the valid nature of opposing arguements, even if you do not change your opinion. How fallacious is it to argue that because you didn't change your opinion as a result of Thomas's or anyone else's arguement, that opposing arguement is automatically false?

 
Allow me to use a few of your sides favorite sentences, Hawk.  "How does this affect you?"   "What business is it of yours?"
 
 

Bobbie,
 
If I had simply said you are self-delusional and let it go at that, your argument would have merit. But throughout this thread I've provided evidence to support my argument. And, of course, neither you nor your supporters have presented a rebuttal that even comes close to refuting or debunking any claim or argument I've made. All you've done is blow smoke out your ass--just like you're doing now.
 
STFU
 
 

Ha ha!  Keep up the great jokes, hawkie!  They are hilarious!

 
You FAILED to answer me Hawk.  "How does this affect you?"  and   "What business is it of yours what Florida does?"
 
California "honours"(sic)  Traitors Jane Fonda and Jerry Brown nearly every day..   And I haven't heard one word from you over it.

 It doesn't alter the fact he was a democrat and democrats are the ones who named the school after him!

D2D,
 
It's you who's still ignoring the fact that Forrest's political affiliation had absolutely nothing to do with school's naming. The school was named after a slaver trader, slave owner, treasonist, war criminal, and a founding father of a terrorist organization as a protest against school integration.
 
http://www.alternet.org/florida-high-school-named-after-kkk-founder-2013 (http://www.alternet.org/florida-high-school-named-after-kkk-founder-2013)
 
 

 
And you know this as a fact, how?  Don't tell me you're going to cite some whacky site like alternet or Mad magazine.

http://www.alternet.org/florida-high-school-named-after-kkk-founder-2013 (http://www.alternet.org/florida-high-school-named-after-kkk-founder-2013)
 
 

That's what I thought.

 Yep, a democrat!

 
D2D,

What if Nathan Bedford  Forrest were alive today? What would be his most likely political affiliation, the Democratic Party or the Republican Party?

He would still be a democrat because democrat policies keep minorities down and compliant!

No, D2D. If Nathan Bedford Forrest were alive today he would feel right at home in today's Republican Party.
 
Forrest fought for the Confederacy, so evidently he saw nothing wrong with secession.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/secession-fever-25-republicans-want-split-us (http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/secession-fever-25-republicans-want-split-us)
 
Nathan Bedford Forrest was a white supremacist and would feel right at home in today's GOP.
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/12/modern_gop_is_still_the_party_of_dixie/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/10/12/modern_gop_is_still_the_party_of_dixie/)
 
 
 
 
 

He would still be a democrat because democrat policies keep minorities down and compliant!

D2D,
 
If Mississippian Nathan Forrest Bedford were alive today, he would be a Republican, just as most southerners are today.
 
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/12/modern_gop_is_still_the_party_of_dixie/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/10/12/modern_gop_is_still_the_party_of_dixie/)

He would still be a democrat because democrat policies keep minorities down and compliant!

D2D,
 
Your argument is laughable: If the Democratic Party kept minorities "down" and "compliant," then no minorities would support it. You're still as confused as ever.
 
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/republicans-514768-party-republican.html (http://www.ocregister.com/articles/republicans-514768-party-republican.html)
 
 

That is the glory of it!

Democrats use paltry support systems to keep minorities down and passive!

Essentially paying them to fail!

It it the perfect racist system!

D2D,
 
If Nathan Bedford Forrest were alive today he would be a staunch Republican, most likely on the GOP's lunatic fringe--a member of the extremist tea party movement. Or, even worse, he might be a member of the anti-government "militia" movement. One thing for certain: he certainly wouldn't consider himself a Democrat. Abraham Lincoln would identify with today's Democratic Party, but certainly not Nathan Bedford Forrest. 
 
http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/15/elections-give-gop-a-solid-hold-on-south/ (http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/15/elections-give-gop-a-solid-hold-on-south/)
 
 

That is the glory of it!

Democrats use paltry support systems to keep minorities down and passive!

Essentially paying them to fail!

It it the perfect racist system!

The worst thing you can do it take away a person's independence and drive for something better!

Liberalism does that and more!

 
Your speculations mean nothing.  They are irrelevant.

D2D,
 
The issue here is a parent's petition to change the name of a public school in Jacksonville, Florida, that was named after a slave trader, slave owner, traitor, war criminal, and one of the founding fathers of a terrorist organization. Your wacko and opinionated right-wingnut  catch-phrases are irrelevant and (of course) have absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand. Does it?
 
http://www.alternet.org/florida-high-school-named-after-kkk-founder-2013 (http://www.alternet.org/florida-high-school-named-after-kkk-founder-2013)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

duke-john,
 
If the antigovernment, anti-civil rights, and right-wing extremist Mississippian Nathan Bedford Forrest were alive today, one could safely presume that he would be a high-ranking member of the Republican Party.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy)
 
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2012/11/12/the-way-forward-disunion-and-dixie/ (http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2012/11/12/the-way-forward-disunion-and-dixie/)
 
 

If.  Your speculation means nothing.

duke_john,
 
Um, speculation? I beg to differ.
 
A speculation is a conjecture formed on the basis of incomplete facts or information. And a conjecture is the formation of judgments or opinions on the basis of incomplete or inconclusive in formation.  Your argument attempts to insinuate that my claim about Forrest is an assumption, something taken for granted and believed to be true without proof. But, in actuality, it's a presumption, a belief based on reasonable grounds or probable evidence.
 
And here are those reasonable grounds and probable evidence upon which I've based my claims and arguments:
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy)
 
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2012/11/12/the-way-forward-disunion-and-dixie/ (http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2012/11/12/the-way-forward-disunion-and-dixie/)
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_U.S._states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_U.S._states)
 
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/secession-fever-25-republicans-want-split-us (http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/secession-fever-25-republicans-want-split-us)
 
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/12/modern_gop_is_still_the_party_of_dixie/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/10/12/modern_gop_is_still_the_party_of_dixie/)
 
But, of course, all you've done is called me names, john. You really need to shut the fuck up.
 
 
 
 

Your attempts to insult me, fool, mean nothing. 

Your speculations on what someone long dead would do if alive mean nothing, fool.

You are a fool, hawkshit.

duke_john,
 
I'm not trying to insult you. You're making a fool of yourself trying to defend the spiteful naming of a public school after a slave trader, slave owner, insurrectionist, and founding father of a terrorist organization. And for that you should be ashamed to call yourself an American. And I've provided enough evidence to support my claim that, if he were alive today, Nathan Bedford Forrest would be an outspoken conservative Republican from the former Confederacy, just like Lindsey Graham, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, Haley Barbour, Jeb Bush, and Newt Gingrich, just to name a few.
 
STFU, you ignorant and stupid fool. See how watching Fox "news" makes you dumb?
 
HAHAHA

You're wrong on all counts, hawkshit.  As usual.

Go fuck yourself, dummy.

duke_john,
 
I'm wrong on all counts, huh? Provide the evidence to support your claim. You can do that. Right?
 
HA
 
 

Read your own posts, dumbfuck, and you'll see the bullshit you post.

dike_john,
 
I don't need to read my post. You need to do that, and accept the fact that you can neither defend your argument nor refute mine. Then you need to sit down, shut the fuck up and stop making a fool of yourself by showing our forum's discussants just how stupid and ignorant you are.
 
 

Do you really enjoy looking the fool as you do, hawkshit?

You act as if you think you're making sense.

Fuck off, fool.

Still doesn't alter the fact he was a democrat!

 
 
Go figure, a Blue State honoring a Democrat.  Will wonders ever cease...
 
 

No, Jim, that's not what happened. School administrators in Jacksonville, Florida, renamed a public high school after a slave-owning Confederate general, war criminal, and first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan in defiance of, and as a protest against, federally enforced school integration. Nathan Bedford Forrest's political affiliation played no role at all in the renaming of the school. It was the racist belief of white supremacy and hatred of the federal government's enforcement of the US Constitution that led to the schools renaming.
 
 

 
And your proof of that motivation is what?

Your opinion doesn't count, and dnc talking points mean nothing.

duke_john,
 
You're still confused. The issue here isn't my "motivation"  and "dnc talking points" (sic) It's a petition to rename a public high school in Jacksonville, Florida. Remember?
 
LOL
 
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2013-09-05/story/jacksonville-man-starts-petition-change-forrest-high-school-name (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2013-09-05/story/jacksonville-man-starts-petition-change-forrest-high-school-name)

No, no, no, fool.

Don't change the topic.  Answer the question.

What question, john?

Good freaking grief.  Can't you read?

What's wrong, john. Are you fraid to ask the question because you already know in advance that I will easily debunk it? Or is it that you're afraid to ask the question because you already know in advance that it's nothing more than the same puerile and imbecilic hooey you always post on the message board, the same ludicrous bullshit that shows us all what a stupid and ignorant numskull you are?
 
 

You're fucking nuts, stupid, or both.  Probably both.

Aha! Just as I suspected all along. As is always the case, you really don't know what the hell you're talking about; you're just blowing smoke and showing us what a stupid and ignorant imbecile you are. You really need to sit down and shut the fuck up, duke_john.  You're showing everybody what a fucking idiot you are.
 
HAHA

Sure, I know what I'm talking about.

Now I'm convinced you're fucking nuts AND stupid.

 
Duke, wake up. He's just taunting you to keep his topic alive.
 

Hawkshit is an extraordinary ignoramus.  He talks in circles and makes no cogent argument.  He then denies saying what is right there for all to see.

You are correct, Jim.

duke_john,
 
Don't let Jim fool you. He's in the same boat as you. He never knows what he's talking about either.
 
ROTFLMAO
 
 

He does that all the time.  I am sick and tired of seeing all his foolish posts on weeks old threads showing up every time I click on "Show new replies to your posts".  That should be a violation.
 
Cut your childish crap, hawks.

Oh, yeah! Thomasj_tx, another windbag loser who can't defend his arguments either.
 
STFU, loser.
 
HAHA

Fuck off, fool.

He is still a democrat!

Everyone, quit feeding the troll hawks!
 
Stop posting in this thread!

 

And you're still a a blithering idiot, D2D.

You're trying to argue that the Democratic Party of Nathan Bedford Forrest is the same Democratic Party of today. Nothing could be further from the truth. If Nathan B. Forrest, the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, were alive today, he would be elected to public office as a Republican, just as was Grand Wizard David Duke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

The racist Nathan Bedford Forrest would feel right at home in today's GOP, just like the racist David Duke.

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/grand-wizard-david-duke-and-todays-gop-the-similarities-are-startling/

 
You always get it wrong, thom. You should tell your knucklehead buddies in our forum's right-wingnut peanut gallery to stop making fools of themselves trying defend Nathan Bedford Forrest, a slave owner and slave trader, a high-ranking military leader in an armed insurrection against the US Constitution and US government, a war criminal, and first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

He is still a democrat!

And you're still showing us how stupid and ignorant you are by still trying to argue your debunked claim. And, furthermore, in case you haven't noticed, Nathan Bedford Forrest, slave owner, slave trader, insurrectionist, war criminal, and first leader of America's most well-known terrorist organisation has been dead for over 136 years. He still isn't a democrat (sic); he's dead.
 

He is still a democrat!

The democrat party hasn't renounced or cancelled his membership!

D2D,
 
This isn't the 19th Century. If Nathan Bedford Forrest and Abraham Lincoln were alive today, most likely Forrest would be a Republican and Lincoln a Democrat.
 
 

You cannot prove that speculation, dumbfuck fool.

 If, ifs and buts were candy and nuts every day would be Christmas!

To: dopie_john and D2D
 
Considering what Abraham Lincoln and Nathan Bedford Forrest did in their lives, and based on the doctrines and policies of today's Democratic and Republican Parties, it's safe to presume that, if they were alive today, Lincoln would most likely be a Democrat and Forrest a Republican.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy)
 
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2012/11/12/the-way-forward-disunion-and-dixie/ (http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2012/11/12/the-way-forward-disunion-and-dixie/)

Presumptions mean nothing, fool.

dopie_john.
 
 You're still confused. It's your continuous name-calling that means nothing. Calling me a fool won't ever change the fact that you don't have the intelligence and intellect to match wits with me. Shut the fuck up and go to bed, little man. You've had another rough day today.
 
LOL

Shut the fuck up, fool.

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