because they care so much about us and the environment

http://www.youtube.com/v/3gjvOOlHmsU

 
Dang!  Another interesting topic that should be seen by all...
 
Can't wait to hear the nay-sayer enviro-nazi's tell us how incorrect this is..
 
 
 

But for a Texas Congressman, saving the incandescent light bulb was his claim to fame last year!
 
Funny how people make mountains out of mole hills.  (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/evil.gif)

The mountain is not this one molehill of a light bulb, but the general absurdity that our best interests are what motivate statists in Washington.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vpu09s9PPE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vpu09s9PPE) GREEN POWER? Give me a break. Blood thirsting endangered species slaughtering power. That's all. Societal hypocrisy.


Stupid is as stupid does - progressive "leadership" screwing us all over.

So let's also add in the hypocrisy in regard to wind turbines and Obama's energy plan - thousands of them all over and across my home state of Oregon too . As well as state after state after state - nationwide.

Oregon - that valued the spotted owl so much they arrogantly and hypocritically shut down all logging in our state in order to protect the habitat of singular spotted owls. Or so they said that was why they need to stop renewable trees from being harvested (and regrown) on public lands... and they economically RUINED Oregon.

How is that or what that societally GOOD for the people of Oregon, you hypocritical progressive energy mongerers - of Obama's.
You can't lie about this stuff. It's all public record. And no enforcement of endangered species being slaughtered under the command and direction of President Obama has occurred. Cruel, sick hypocrite Barack Obama.

The bulbs suck.  They are always burning out here.  I am going back to the old fashion ones as long as I can.

 
I'm one of those "fools" that stocked up on the 100's.  I also have a few years supply of the Halogen 300w and 500w bulbs. :- )
 
 

I have a small supply myself. I have a ceiling fan in a two story foyer and the old fashion bulbs have been in there since June 1, 2001 and are used every single night and morning since then. I bought new ones because I want someone to come service the fan and clean it ( need a 16 ft ladder )  Anyway, the bulbs say one year.  Liars. they last way longer.

I sent that video to everyone on my personal email list. I think we all should know the truth and have something of substance to point to as proof.



What everyone should know about Light Bulbs.

CFL and Incandescent Light Bulbs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3gjvOOlHmsU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3gjvOOlHmsU)
 
 
 
 

I actually almost agree with you boobs for a change.

I was thrilled with the idea of the new bulbs when they first came out.

I had an energy audit, and back then they gave me free bulbs to replace every light in the house.

But....

They don't last long, and they get duller with time.

and Mercury.

Say no more.

I don't buy them any more.


But Republicans still have poopypants.

Bills that favor corporations over humans always smell like Republicans.

Never vote for a Republican.

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Just more Conservative Propaganda.

Bills that favor corporations over humans always smell like Republicans.


You mean like the Bills that say you must buy CFLs from the corporations that makes them?  Yeh - right...
 
 

They are frigging light bulbs for Christ sakes.  If you are that Paranoid, buy Candles... (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/sarcasmics/grin.gif) (http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/Smileys/sarcasmics/grin.gif)

An idiot spewed.......Bills that favor corporations over humans always smell like Republicans.


LOL, you have to be the dumbest damn liberal I believe I have ever seen on here and that's saying a lot, there's some pretty dumb ones on this board, wnd bs comes to mind..

They are frigging light bulbs for Christ sakes.  If you are that Paranoid, buy Candles...
 
Why?  Incandecents are both brighter and safer than even candles!
 

Same here Jim i even got a bunch of the old 100 watt bulbs,when i turn on a light i wanna see not feel my way around.

(( Why?  Incandecents are both brighter and safer than even candles! ))

Jim ~ My comment was directed to the topic of this thread, "The light bulbs the geniuses are forcing us to use".  So you comment about "brighter and safer" was irrelevant...

Get a horse!

how are they forcing us to use them, genius?  by making them much cheaper to use?

by making them much cheaper to use?
 
Bzzzzzzt  - kneejerk    ^^^  didn't see the video as usual.... ^^^     hahahahahahaha
 
 

and you believe every fucking video you see, bozo?  no wonder you are so ignorant....ever heard of google?  goddamn, boy.  grow a brain. 

 
When in deep personal thought, you should keep your "notes-to-self" non-public..   :- )
Just trying to be helpful...
 

google it, dumbo.  about 252,000 hits showing how much cheaper it is to use these new lights.  by the way, the standards were changed in a bill signed by president bush.  surely if you support bush's lying invasion of iraq and torturing prisoners you can support him doing something sensible for a change....

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As for the spurious, off the wall comments, what is there to say?

 
I didn't like Bush, but I do support his war against the murderous tyrant Saddam Hussein, even if you didn't care that he murdered his own people. And I support his torturing those who they themselves tortured innocent civilians, even if it didn't bother you.
 
 We can both play that childish game.. So try sticking to the Topic... if you can..

one video versus all the experts laughing at a stupid fucking video like that.  why do right wingers believe such crazy shit and are so damn gullible? 

but bush said we had to do it because of the wmds.  he lied us into that war.  and saddam wasn't killing his citizens any more than saudi arabia was or iran is or libya was or egypt was or north korea was or pakistan was or china was.  why didn't we invade those countries if that is what was pissing bush off so bad?  you want to support bush so you do.  the facts don't matter.  faith based reasoning.  explains right wingers believing that birther shit, the secret muslim shit, the pals around with terrorists shit, the adam and eve creation shit, the anti-global warming shit...

 
So, by all means why don't you post the proof you found on Google, or in a blog, or wherever it is you get your far stretched information??   This guy showed his experiment and his data. Now you do the same...
 
I promise, we have plenty of room for your "Expert Proof."   
 
 

Poor stupid Liberals, they don't even comprehend the meaning of the thread. It's not about which light bulb is more efficient you idiots, it's about not being given a choice to make our own decisions. That is the crux of the thread.

In 2007, one "expert", still hailed by some as a hero, said:
 

"We believe the effect of the troubles in the subprime sector on the broader housing market will be limited and we do not expect significant spillovers from the subprime market to the rest of the economy or to the financial system."
 
So, you can keep your "experts".

are you afraid to google?  even gomer bush said he could "use the googles."

I STUPIDLY bought some of those CFL's.  No more; they are overpriced and do NOT last as long as they are supposed to.  Plus, they are considered to be TOXIC WASTE when they burn out.
 
Are you aware that if you BREAK one, you are supposed to have a HAZ-MAT TEAM come and dcontaminate your home?
 
I have a stockpile of the good old-fashioned light bulbs, and will continue using them.  Once the CFL's that I do have are gone, I will buy no more.

but bush said we had to do it because of the wmds.  he lied us into that war.  and saddam wasn't killing his citizens any more than saudi arabia was or iran is or libya was or egypt was or north korea was or pakistan was or china was.  why didn't we invade those countries if that is what was pissing bush off so bad?  you want to support bush so you do.  the facts don't matter.  faith based reasoning.  explains right wingers believing that birther shit, the secret muslim shit, the pals around with terrorists shit, the adam and eve creation shit, the anti-global warming shit...
 
Its funny watching you go off onto intermixed tirades and rants whose "threads" never meet up, but instead you rely on the tangled mess to disguise it in the hopes of somehow making them form into the same argument.  Nice try, but I can only give you a 5.  Sorry, but I've seen that act before...
 

Ho boy just throws s**t against thew wall and hopes something sticks. Typical of a Liberal

are you afraid to google?
 
No I'm not, Are you afraid to post your own proof?  It is you who brought it up ya know...
 
 

total bullshit, jtopp.  seriously.  what a stooge you are.  did you ever have a mercury thermometer in your house when you were born in the 19th century?  did your parents have to call a haz mat team if you broke a freaking thermometer?  a typical thermometer had 3 grams of mercury...a typical CFL has 5mgs!!!!  get it?  3 grams versus 5/1000ths of a gram.  did you freak out about mercury thermometers?  there is more mercury in tuna fish than in CFLs....

Thermometers

The amount of mercury in a thermometer is very small, usually up to 3.0g (less than one-eighth of an ounce). Mercury thermometers are being phased out. 

It’s a zombie myth that just won’t stay down: Compact Fluorescent Lamps contain toxic mercury. There is about as much truth to that statement as there is mercury in CFLS — which is to say, trace amounts. CFLs do contain mercury, but in quantities so small that breaking one exposes you, in most cases, to less mercury than eating tuna fish (see below). We consulted the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency* and contacted a lighting specialist from General Electric in order to take on the issue of mercury in CFLs.

How does mercury help produce light in CFLs?

CFLs are glass tubes that are filled with argon gas and mercury vapor. When an electric current passes through the tube, the mercury emits ultraviolet light that excites a phosphor coating on the tube. The coating then emits light.

Are we talking about high levels of mercury?

No. And the amount of mercury in CFLs has dropped steadily since they first made inroads into the market 15-20 years ago. As recently as 2007, CFLs contained about 5 milligrams, enough to cover a ballpoint pen tip. Since then, regulations in the European Union, which have also been adopted in California and other areas, have mandated that the amount of mercury in CFLs be limited to 3.5 mg by 2012 and 2.5 mg by 2013.

GE spiral CFLs use an even smaller amount: 0.8-0.9 mg of mercury. Sándor Lukács, the CFL systems manager for GE Appliance & Lighting, said the company decided to rapidly cut the mercury content of its CFLS in the 1990s. “To put it in perspective,” Lukács said, “when I was a little child, I had a thermometer that had 1,000 times more mercury than the current CFLs.”

you still don't comprehend do you ho boy. it's about being denied the choice you idiot. Nanny state Liberalism/Marxism deciding what I can or cannot buy. As for your BS about the dangers of CFL's, here's the procedures from the EPA. http://epa.gov/cfl/cflcleanup.html (http://epa.gov/cfl/cflcleanup.html)

CFLs are more expensive than incandescents, but they do produce far less heat.  So much heat is produced by halogen bulbs that I refuse to use them, as they can bake the wiring when left on too long.  CFL technology is improving, just as LED technology is improving.

I have not found CFLs burn out as quickly as the video claimed, but they probably don't last as long as the manufacturer's claim.  CFLs are in every light socket in my house.

The glass used in CFL bulbs is cheap flint glass, not quartz.  It does not transmit significant amounts of UV light.

Any flicker in CFLs should be at least the same as incandescent bulbs, as AC current is the same, but the ballast smooths the effect.

Twice I've had the built-in CFL ballasts burn out and produce a smoke condition.  That's a definite drawback.

I'm buying LEDs as the price drops to replace CFLs.

total bullshit, jtopp.  seriously.  what a fucking stooge you are.  did you ever have a mercury thermometer in your house when you were born in the 19th century?  did your parents have to call a haz mat team if you broke a freaking thermometer?
 
#1.   It wasn't in gaseous form, and if they ever broke, the mercury would seep through the floor cracks and be gone in no time.
 
#2.   Its as Stretch says, this is more about "Choice."   Since when do you tell me what light bulbs I have to use?   If you want to use CFLs you go right ahead and do so to your little hearts content.  Will you agree I should have the same courtesy?
 
 
 

something like 94% of the electricity used in regular bulbs produce heat, not light.  that is why they are so wasteful.  cfls are not perfect, they are just better.  and way less expensive.  why fight improvement?

people said the same thing about unleaded gas.....and now nobody bitches about it and it helps the air quality and the environment in general.  improvement....it's what for dinner...

They cost 3 times as much as a regular bulb you dumbfuck. And it's not up to you or the government, or or anyone else to decide for me what kind of light bulb i choose to use.

another thing...you could buy a whole boatload of regular bulbs between now and when they are phased out...enough to last you a lifetime, probably.  go for it.  there is your choice. 

why fight improvement?
 
Thats the problem. You seem to think every "change" is an improvement. But they are not an improvement. They are just a crappy replacement while awaiting an actual improvement.
 
Same as Obama. Just a crappy replacement while awaiting a real President. Like Romney...
 

people said the same thing about unleaded gas
 
Unleaded gas ruined engines that required the lead content.
 

I didn't figure you were smart enough to understand ho boy, but thanks for proving it. It's not the government's business to tell me what I can or cannot buy you moron.

another thing...you could buy a whole boatload of regular bulbs between now and when they are phased out...enough to last you a lifetime, probably.  go for it.  there is your choice.
 
Been there -  done that.... :- )
 
 

I have a 76 Ford pickup with a 67 Ford motor in it ho boy. I have to spend up to $20 a tank full above the price of gas for a lead substitute.

Comparing Costs
The best way to compare the three types of bulbs is to calculate their costs over 30,000 hours of usage – the lifespan of a single LED bulb.

Standard incandescent bulbs The CFL used here has a lifetime of 1,300 hours, so we would need 23 bulbs over the period of this study. I was able to purchase a single incandescent of this type for $0.34, so our total cost for bulbs over 30,000 hours would be $7.82.

As it uses 60 watts, over a period of 30,000 hours, an incandescent bulb would use 1,800,000 watt hours, or 1,800 kilowatt hours. At the current approximate price of $0.10 per kilowatt hour, you would have to pay $180.00 to run an incandescent bulb over this period.
Thus, the total cost of a 60 watt incandescent bulb over a 30,000 hour lifespan is $187.82.

CFL bulbs The CFL used here has a lifetime of 8,000 hours, so we would need 3.75 bulbs over the period of this study. I was able to purchase a single CFL for $1.24, so our total cost for bulbs over 30,000 hours would be $4.65.
As it uses 13 watts, over a period of 30,000 hours, a CFL bulb would use 390,000 watt hours, or 390 kilowatt hours. At the current approximate price of $0.10 per kilowatt hour, you would have to pay $39.00 to run a CFL bulb over this period.
Thus, the total cost of a CFL bulb over a 30,000 hour lifespan is $43.65.

LED bulbs The LED bulb used here has a lifetime of 30,000 hours, so we would need only one bulb over the period of this study. Unfortunately, that single bulb has a cost of $119.99.
As it uses 7.5 watts, over a period of 30,000 hours, an LED bulb would use 245,000 watt hours, or 245 kilowatt hours. At the current approximate price of $0.10 per kilowatt hour, you would have to pay $24.50 to run an LED bulb over this period.
Thus, the total cost of an LED bulb over a 30,000 hour lifespan is $144.49.

 
Now, watch the video and see how they react in real life...

And why is it the government's job to tell me what kind of light bulb I can use ho boy? Answer the question.

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simple...it is their job.  to regulate commerce.  goddamn, boy.  they outlawed thalilomide after they saw the birth defects.   they inspect meat and produce.  they inspect and regulate drugs.  they limit how much poison companies can spew.  they outlawed DDT and other incredibly dangerous pesticides and poisons for individuals to be able to buy when they saw how much harm it was causing the environment...it is the way of the world.  we advance.  we find better ways to do stuff and we abandon the old ways.  grow the fuck up. 

LED bulb prices have been dropping nicely lately.

The price of an LED quoted at $119.99 is either a mistake or way out of date.

I hate CFL's  hate them,,

 I have a 4 watt night light in the kitchen ,,My wife would turn it off when ever it was Light out ,,The bulb would last a couple weeks and crap out.. Last winter when she was In China -I left it on all the time 24/7 and guess what-It is still on 9 months later.. OK cost==The power to run the bulb is soooo small I have saved 10 X the cost On bulbs In 9 months By not buying bulbs-!!!  Now My wife understands why its OK to leave a small bulb run all the time...


I have cfl bulbs In my work station--I hate them --If you look at one for even a second the rays burn your eyes and leave you with a burn in spot that takes a few moments to go away where the REGULAR bulbs I put back do not !
PLUS A BIGGIE---The new energy tube lamps seriously screw up MY AM Radio.....STATIC!!!!-seems the FCC is going along with the enviro skum and allowing Bulbs and Light fixtures that emit excessive spurts radiation past what would normally be allowed

True, CFLs cause radio interference, but primarily on AM.

OK...how about some real facts?  Incandescent light bulbs (common A bulb) is scheduled for phase out on January 1, 2014...CFL's are also scheduled for phase out in the next three years. Bet most of you were not aware of that fact?  LED's will become the dominant light source in the next 5 years as the price continues to fall.